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<blockquote data-quote="Decado" data-source="post: 2884801" data-attributes="member: 562098">First, it is an opinion formed by logic there is no absolute when you&#039;re talking about a debatable subject like this.&nbsp; And when was I creating arguments to counter an argument that wasn&#039;t being made?&nbsp; I don&#039;t believe I won the argument either, I just don&#039;t agree with some of what he&#039;s saying.Lol, ya I took a critical thinking class where we learned all about logic and logical fallacies and arguments and I fail to see where I made a logical fallacy here, but maybe I&#039;m forgetting something.&nbsp; Either way, thanks for the nice words.Well, first I want to say I&#039;m not trying to be a dick I just may have sounded like it.&nbsp; What I got from your last post was that you were trying to force your opinion, I guess I misunderstood you and took offense.So, when you say generic rap what does that even mean?&nbsp; Are you trying to say plain sounding, popular rap, just some random rap song or what because it&#039;s not making sense to me.&nbsp; And with this whole obscure rapper thing I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about, the only time I was talking about obscure rappers was back on the lyrical argument.&nbsp; But no I couldn&#039;t see a professional tuner using rap to tune his system, I already agreed that it would be a stupid idea.&nbsp; Rap can still fit into the SQ world without being part of a competition or tuning of a system.&nbsp; Just because you shouldn&#039;t tune your system with rap doesn&#039;t mean that it can&#039;t still have good SQ afterwards.&nbsp; No it doesn&#039;t have good enough SQ to be tuning-worthy but it can still sound great.&nbsp; I was simply arguing that rap has it&#039;s place in SQ, albeit a small one.And what the hell, I never said this debate was centered around my opinion and I wasn&#039;t trying to make the end-all opinion.&nbsp; The way it sounded to me was that you were trying to say that rap doesn&#039;t fit into the realm of SQ at all but I was just trying to say that it does fit to a point.&nbsp; This isn&#039;t an all or nothing debate...Once again with the obscure rapper...why are you clinging on to that?&nbsp; So, you do know that they have artificial drum sets that hook into the computer so you can easily make a very real sounding but cleaner bass note right?&nbsp; Of course there&#039;s an assload of rap that that has very simple bass notes but there&#039;s a good amount with nice clean real sounding bass that&#039;s more than just changing pitch a few times, and it&#039;s not just some obscure rap.My opinion that rap can have good SQ is my opinion of how it fits into the realm of SQ, don&#039;t get it confused.&nbsp; In this situation, an opinion is more than just an unsubstantiated personal view, it&#039;s your personal conclusion put together by logic (take a medical opinion for example, this is the same type of thing as what I&#039;m trying to say here).&nbsp; &nbsp; My point wasn&#039;t to say what I liked or didn&#039;t like it was to put forth my logical opinion, which is essentially what everyone who&#039;s posted in this thread has done...&nbsp; Once again, I&#039;m not trying to sound aggressive or a stone wall of forcing my opinion even though I may come off that way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Decado, post: 2884801, member: 562098"] First, it is an opinion formed by logic there is no absolute when you're talking about a debatable subject like this. And when was I creating arguments to counter an argument that wasn't being made? I don't believe I won the argument either, I just don't agree with some of what he's saying. Lol, ya I took a critical thinking class where we learned all about logic and logical fallacies and arguments and I fail to see where I made a logical fallacy here, but maybe I'm forgetting something. Either way, thanks for the nice words. Well, first I want to say I'm not trying to be a dick I just may have sounded like it. What I got from your last post was that you were trying to force your opinion, I guess I misunderstood you and took offense. So, when you say generic rap what does that even mean? Are you trying to say plain sounding, popular rap, just some random rap song or what because it's not making sense to me. And with this whole obscure rapper thing I have no idea what you're talking about, the only time I was talking about obscure rappers was back on the lyrical argument. But no I couldn't see a professional tuner using rap to tune his system, I already agreed that it would be a stupid idea. Rap can still fit into the SQ world without being part of a competition or tuning of a system. Just because you shouldn't tune your system with rap doesn't mean that it can't still have good SQ afterwards. No it doesn't have good enough SQ to be tuning-worthy but it can still sound great. I was simply arguing that rap has it's place in SQ, albeit a small one. And what the hell, I never said this debate was centered around my opinion and I wasn't trying to make the end-all opinion. The way it sounded to me was that you were trying to say that rap doesn't fit into the realm of SQ at all but I was just trying to say that it does fit to a point. This isn't an all or nothing debate... Once again with the obscure rapper...why are you clinging on to that? So, you do know that they have artificial drum sets that hook into the computer so you can easily make a very real sounding but cleaner bass note right? Of course there's an assload of rap that that has very simple bass notes but there's a good amount with nice clean real sounding bass that's more than just changing pitch a few times, and it's not just some obscure rap. My opinion that rap can have good SQ is my opinion of how it fits into the realm of SQ, don't get it confused. In this situation, an opinion is more than just an unsubstantiated personal view, it's your personal conclusion put together by logic (take a medical opinion for example, this is the same type of thing as what I'm trying to say here). My point wasn't to say what I liked or didn't like it was to put forth my logical opinion, which is essentially what everyone who's posted in this thread has done... Once again, I'm not trying to sound aggressive or a stone wall of forcing my opinion even though I may come off that way. [/QUOTE]

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