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<blockquote data-quote="Buck" data-source="post: 8737233" data-attributes="member: 591582">There are neodynium subs that are good on music.&nbsp; People use DD Z&#039;s in sound quality cars.&nbsp; Like actual competing cars.&nbsp; There was that old critical mass sub that was a neo and was like revered for its SQ, iirc.&nbsp; I got to see one of those in person, they are cool subs.&nbsp; I&#039;ve designed for one or two of them before.&nbsp; Neos aren&#039;t all designed purely to be SPL woofers.&nbsp; They are super duper wicked expensive, though.&nbsp; And you do usually see neo&#039;s in SPL applications, to be fair lol.Subs like Fi&#039;s team woofers can handle a lot of power, and they seem to do really good on low notes.&nbsp; Big heavy coils (huge Mms), almost absurd wattage ratings, long through, low Fs, huge motors.&nbsp; I definitely wouldn&#039;t think of them as efficient.&nbsp; They are very powerful, though.I did a box for a Fi SP4 15 in the trunk of a Jetta on 2000-2500w, and he could&#039;ve scored in the high 140&#039;s with that.&nbsp; It was very close to as loud as my 2 18&#039;s.&nbsp; It was crazy.&nbsp; Since I started designing, the amount of 2000w+ rms rated woofers has really expanded.&nbsp; I&#039;m constantly doing designs for 2000w woofers like it&#039;s just somewhat normal to have that power level now. OP, if your backseats fold down, how big is the opening?&nbsp; I think more power is going to be your friend if you can only fit a 12.&nbsp;&nbsp; Like I was saying, there&#039;s tons of woofers that handle high power now.&nbsp; There&#039;s plenty to choose from, and they&#039;re all different.&nbsp; I would look at woofers that like small boxes, you might be able to fit more than you think.&nbsp; DC is one that comes to mind that has really high powered woofers.&nbsp; List a power level or budget, and see what fits inside of that.&nbsp; Idk what SPL quite means to you, but we did 2 dc xl 10&#039;s in a rx-8, which is a very terrible sized car for bass, and we did forward firing and it was doing 147.xxx on low power @ 35 hz, and sounded good, like many other ported boxes.&nbsp; That box was 2 cubes net on 3800w with 2 very small batteries.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Buck, post: 8737233, member: 591582"] There are neodynium subs that are good on music. People use DD Z's in sound quality cars. Like actual competing cars. There was that old critical mass sub that was a neo and was like revered for its SQ, iirc. I got to see one of those in person, they are cool subs. I've designed for one or two of them before. Neos aren't all designed purely to be SPL woofers. They are super duper wicked expensive, though. And you do usually see neo's in SPL applications, to be fair lol. Subs like Fi's team woofers can handle a lot of power, and they seem to do really good on low notes. Big heavy coils (huge Mms), almost absurd wattage ratings, long through, low Fs, huge motors. I definitely wouldn't think of them as efficient. They are very powerful, though. I did a box for a Fi SP4 15 in the trunk of a Jetta on 2000-2500w, and he could've scored in the high 140's with that. It was very close to as loud as my 2 18's. It was crazy. Since I started designing, the amount of 2000w+ rms rated woofers has really expanded. I'm constantly doing designs for 2000w woofers like it's just somewhat normal to have that power level now. OP, if your backseats fold down, how big is the opening? I think more power is going to be your friend if you can only fit a 12. Like I was saying, there's tons of woofers that handle high power now. There's plenty to choose from, and they're all different. I would look at woofers that like small boxes, you might be able to fit more than you think. DC is one that comes to mind that has really high powered woofers. List a power level or budget, and see what fits inside of that. Idk what SPL quite means to you, but we did 2 dc xl 10's in a rx-8, which is a very terrible sized car for bass, and we did forward firing and it was doing 147.xxx on low power @ 35 hz, and sounded good, like many other ported boxes. That box was 2 cubes net on 3800w with 2 very small batteries. [/QUOTE]

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