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<blockquote data-quote="Slaugh" data-source="post: 997242" data-attributes="member: 560795">yeah i know im one who suffers from the low preouts.. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> but believe me, even with this flaw i wouldnt replace it for any other Pioneer Premier... the 860MP would be equivalent but i heard both on same systems... the SQ is still a bit better on the 9815 and the prices of the 9815 are better...i think the Pioneer still &quot;pounds&quot; more bass... but that&#039;s because the subwoofer line on the alpines goes up to +0db... if im not wrong now the Pioneers add DB to the subwoofer line... that may be the reason why it distorts more than the alpines for exampledunno in USA but in my country who loves car audio all go with Alpine/hi-end Clarions and who loves all that annoying bass boom boom down the street go with the Pioneers... you dont see a single Pioneer on SQ competitions while 90% of the HUs ARE alpines... i think they have a reason to be using Alpines...by unanimity SQ freaks here elect Alpine with a MUCH better SQ over the Pioneers...look i paid over 450 bucks on my used 9815 here and i AM happy.. i could have gotten a 770MP for half the alpine price here but i didn&#039;t... in US if you can get a brand new for 250 dollars i just can&#039;t believe why people go with Pioneers...imo with an alpine you get 90% of the price you paid in quality audio components while with pioneers you get 50% of the price you paid in audio components and the rest in screensaver and other flashy things that won&#039;t help jackshit your system sound betterat least thats my opinion...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slaugh, post: 997242, member: 560795"] yeah i know im one who suffers from the low preouts.. :p but believe me, even with this flaw i wouldnt replace it for any other Pioneer Premier... the 860MP would be equivalent but i heard both on same systems... the SQ is still a bit better on the 9815 and the prices of the 9815 are better... i think the Pioneer still "pounds" more bass... but that's because the subwoofer line on the alpines goes up to +0db... if im not wrong now the Pioneers add DB to the subwoofer line... that may be the reason why it distorts more than the alpines for example dunno in USA but in my country who loves car audio all go with Alpine/hi-end Clarions and who loves all that annoying bass boom boom down the street go with the Pioneers... you dont see a single Pioneer on SQ competitions while 90% of the HUs ARE alpines... i think they have a reason to be using Alpines...by unanimity SQ freaks here elect Alpine with a MUCH better SQ over the Pioneers... look i paid over 450 bucks on my used 9815 here and i AM happy.. i could have gotten a 770MP for half the alpine price here but i didn't... in US if you can get a brand new for 250 dollars i just can't believe why people go with Pioneers... imo with an alpine you get 90% of the price you paid in quality audio components while with pioneers you get 50% of the price you paid in audio components and the rest in screensaver and other flashy things that won't help jackshit your system sound better at least thats my opinion... [/QUOTE]

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