Re: eDead V1SE² - Be Careful

[Atimm693 10+ year member]

For those that haven't read this yet, UE isn't so hot either.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=227749

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

The worst.

nG

 

[brtnboarder3241 5,000+ posts]

Was this ever posted on ICIX?
And, if so, how long did it last before it was deleted?

i got so fed up with their ****ing emails i unsubscribed //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[Electrodynamic 10+ year member]

Hrm. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

eDead....simply the bestest in deadness....

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4443321&postcount=7

Triple layer pull apart action = results! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Is there any company out there better to make fun of than Elemental Designs?? I only do so for getting the ban stick x3 on ISUX for posting stuff like this. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Extremely High Temperature Adhesive Whether you live in Colorado, California, Michigan, or Florida you do not want your deadening falling off when it gets HOT!. The eDead adhesive is desigened to withstand extremely high temperatures.

 

You mean like 100*F, extreme??

 

Sticks To Factory Metals This eDead product will adhere to the bare portions of your vehicle. It is designed to adhere to these sections without use of extra adhesives.

 

Which portions??

 

Self Adhesive Designed with a specific adhesive to properly adhere (and stay put) to your vehicle. No extra messy adhesives necessary here. This makes installation quicker, more reliable, and less costly.

Really, for how long??

 

 

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_24&products_id=52

 

 

[ironchef b 10+ year member]

vey nice informative read. i'm in the process of sound dampening (dynamat extreme) my ride and i'm glad i didnt purchase that mess. i think dog poop adheres better to metal than edead. can someone test this theory? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

Too bad they keep having such issues with their sound deadening.

It really brings down the industry as a whole and keeps people from trusting internet companies in general..

Another discussion is happening over at diyma eDead fail

ANT

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Adhesion is highly over-rated in the deadening mat field anyway.

 

[hoxie08 5,000+ posts]

shit glad i searched... was just at ED website and was gonna buy a bit to try it out.... lol

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I love the eD mentality they have over there-

"If you don't see it, it doesn't exist"

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[david in german 10+ year member]

Maybe I have been lucky but mine is still holding up without a problem :duno:

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Maybe I have been lucky but mine is still holding up without a problem :duno:

You shouldn't have a problem. The V1SE² I tested a year ago had plenty of adhesive bond strength to stay put - the V1², on the other hand, was pretty much designed to jump of the substrate. My gripe about the V1SE² has always been about their choice to save a few pennies using Mylar instead of aluminum foil. The problems people have reported seem to be the result of a bad batch (using the same adhesive as V1²) or a deliberate formula change.

Mandos described their QC procedure for eDead on ICIX:

Do we QC random pieces of the product here? Yes. Upside down on steel sheets and subjected to a 900 degree heat gun from about 6~7" for hours on end.

Exposure to heat would be one useful test to run. Alone it doesn't tell you everything you should want to know before shipping a product, but wow - 900°F? My heat gun doesn't have a 900° setting, just 790° and 1250°. I set it up, 7" away and turned it on. At the 790° setting, the temperature at the sample was 215°F. At 1250°, the temp at the sample just got to 250°. I only let it run for 5 minutes since I didn't feel like letting it go for "hours on end". The new samples of V1SE² curled up even more. The year old sample had no problem at all. Since the new stuff was failing at 120°F, this isn't surprising. Still, I find mandos' description of their testing procedure misleading in the extreme. 900°F at the muzzle is probably going to yield ~220°F at 7 inches.

The consensus on ICIX is that I spend my days trying to find ways to harm ED. The reality is that a few people were complaining about V1SE² falling off. One of them sent me a sample and after playing with it I could see why. I thought people should be aware of the issue. Anybody who has followed ED has seen plenty of examples of product failure leading to an almost paranoid defensive reaction. They attack the messenger, put the onus on the customer and bring out the ED is being persecuted dogs. I sort of feel bad for the people who are arguing that the various eDeads are as good as anything else on the market. IMO, a more accurate description (and possible new marketing campaign?) would be: It's better than nothing and most of it hasn't fallen off! Seriously, stick to butyl adhesive with aluminum facing and be done with it.

Anybody want to deconstruct this clicker?

Oh, and nothing has changed on eDead V1² or V1SE² since they went into production. Same adhesive, same mass loading layer, same aluminized mylar constraint layer.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

guy was doing shit wrong, cause mines is still in tact, and still sticking like a condom.

he failed

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Adhesion is highly over-rated in the deadening mat field anyway.

What? If it doesn't adhere, it doesn't deaden. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif