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<blockquote data-quote="Papermaker85" data-source="post: 8486896" data-attributes="member: 572595"><p>yea im not going to argue this. thanks for the information. if you want to guess the size of the wire you need be my guest. ive listed NATONAL ELECTRICAL CODES. these are paruliar and accurate standards used in the REAL PROFESSIONAL AND SENTIFIC world.</p><p></p><p>If you want to use your own standars and think you know be my guest but dont try to argue with me when im giving you standards set by engineers all over the USA.</p><p></p><p>these are the standards from marine 12volt and 24 volt systems to navigation low voltage systems both power and communitcaion.</p><p></p><p>im not gonna argue the fundementals of physics as im have a good understand. honestly probly been 10 years since i really had to look nto it as i dont use it on a daily basis. clearly we not getting anywhere.</p><p></p><p>i researched alot of teslas work and thats what got me interested.</p><p></p><p>voltage by definition is the poentontial difference of a charge between two points that is equal to one joule per coulomb.</p><p></p><p>what i meant by force is its often compared to "pressure" in a sense that and electricially charged partical flows easier as voltage rises just as pressure in a phnumatic system. your arguing definition. like stight out of a book. which i understand. thats what school does. and knowing this you still fail to agree that the NEC code has a very accurate and techinal guildlines that should be followed for the best possible results.</p><p></p><p>if you wanted to argue that the voltage on hte output is potentually high wnough and resistance is lower enough in the 14 guage for 3000 watts that we can your the "text book, school based" abstarct to prove. i use the NEC because its done for you.</p><p></p><p>as for as resistance being the main concer, resistance is simply how much opposition to current flow for a given voltage/amperage. and simply put your are in a sense correct bt the largerhte wire the les the resistance. and YES amperage carring capibilties do matter.</p><p></p><p>im gong to provide chrats here, you can say what you want I proved the MATH and the standars that are used in every field but car audio. that why noone takes it seriously. you have people recommend 14 ga for a load that has the potentual of 2400 watts.</p><p></p><p>again since you have a degree in physics(i assure i dont know you) ill do the math then you can ook at ANY site and find out if im full of **** based on the standards on which conductors are rated.</p><p></p><p>in the case of a 3000 watts load @ 1ohm (the orginal argument)</p><p></p><p>to FIND your amperage is the SQR(3000/1) the square r0ot of 3000 is 55. so 55 amps.</p><p></p><p>now to find voltage when you know amerage and power is amperage*resistance(ohm) so 52*1 is 52. so at a 1ohm load its can carry as much as 50 amps. NEC recommends 8 gauge for that load.</p><p></p><p>now since yall refuse to use this standard im going to find a few other graphs and link them..</p><p></p><p>this one is @ 120 volts. which we know is DOUBLE the voltage in this situation so the wires ampicity will be sightly less.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/audio-alarms/62425d1235669252-wire-gauge-ampacity-table-wiringdiagram.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/audio-alarms/62425d1235669252-wire-gauge-ampacity-table-wiringdiagram.jpg</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1135bc88cd3e8f466170b3c3e23acafaH0&amp;pid=15.1" target="_blank">http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1135bc88cd3e8f466170b3c3e23acafaH0&amp;pid=15.1</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.hitmanhotrods.com/en/admin/sources/editor/assets/chartsGraphs/wire_sizing_chart2_titled_filled.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.hitmanhotrods.com/en/admin/sources/editor/assets/chartsGraphs/wire_sizing_chart2_titled_filled.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>like i sadi you choose the wire that can handle the maxinum current in the circuit. not the average circuit.</p><p></p><p>thank fully none of you guys are electricans becasue **** would be burning up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Papermaker85, post: 8486896, member: 572595"] yea im not going to argue this. thanks for the information. if you want to guess the size of the wire you need be my guest. ive listed NATONAL ELECTRICAL CODES. these are paruliar and accurate standards used in the REAL PROFESSIONAL AND SENTIFIC world. If you want to use your own standars and think you know be my guest but dont try to argue with me when im giving you standards set by engineers all over the USA. these are the standards from marine 12volt and 24 volt systems to navigation low voltage systems both power and communitcaion. im not gonna argue the fundementals of physics as im have a good understand. honestly probly been 10 years since i really had to look nto it as i dont use it on a daily basis. clearly we not getting anywhere. i researched alot of teslas work and thats what got me interested. voltage by definition is the poentontial difference of a charge between two points that is equal to one joule per coulomb. what i meant by force is its often compared to "pressure" in a sense that and electricially charged partical flows easier as voltage rises just as pressure in a phnumatic system. your arguing definition. like stight out of a book. which i understand. thats what school does. and knowing this you still fail to agree that the NEC code has a very accurate and techinal guildlines that should be followed for the best possible results. if you wanted to argue that the voltage on hte output is potentually high wnough and resistance is lower enough in the 14 guage for 3000 watts that we can your the "text book, school based" abstarct to prove. i use the NEC because its done for you. as for as resistance being the main concer, resistance is simply how much opposition to current flow for a given voltage/amperage. and simply put your are in a sense correct bt the largerhte wire the les the resistance. and YES amperage carring capibilties do matter. im gong to provide chrats here, you can say what you want I proved the MATH and the standars that are used in every field but car audio. that why noone takes it seriously. you have people recommend 14 ga for a load that has the potentual of 2400 watts. again since you have a degree in physics(i assure i dont know you) ill do the math then you can ook at ANY site and find out if im full of **** based on the standards on which conductors are rated. in the case of a 3000 watts load @ 1ohm (the orginal argument) to FIND your amperage is the SQR(3000/1) the square r0ot of 3000 is 55. so 55 amps. now to find voltage when you know amerage and power is amperage*resistance(ohm) so 52*1 is 52. so at a 1ohm load its can carry as much as 50 amps. NEC recommends 8 gauge for that load. now since yall refuse to use this standard im going to find a few other graphs and link them.. this one is @ 120 volts. which we know is DOUBLE the voltage in this situation so the wires ampicity will be sightly less. [URL="http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/audio-alarms/62425d1235669252-wire-gauge-ampacity-table-wiringdiagram.jpg"]http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/audio-alarms/62425d1235669252-wire-gauge-ampacity-table-wiringdiagram.jpg[/URL] [URL="http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1135bc88cd3e8f466170b3c3e23acafaH0&pid=15.1"]http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1135bc88cd3e8f466170b3c3e23acafaH0&pid=15.1[/URL] [URL="http://www.hitmanhotrods.com/en/admin/sources/editor/assets/chartsGraphs/wire_sizing_chart2_titled_filled.jpg"]http://www.hitmanhotrods.com/en/admin/sources/editor/assets/chartsGraphs/wire_sizing_chart2_titled_filled.jpg[/URL] like i sadi you choose the wire that can handle the maxinum current in the circuit. not the average circuit. thank fully none of you guys are electricans becasue **** would be burning up. [/QUOTE]
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