Pipes and Papers

I will probably be warned, if not booted, for the post I am about to show... (sorry for the length--that alone will ensure a stone-head will not read it) but, I still feel it necissarry to demonstrate, with fact, the idiocy of this post and the reason it should be banned from posting on a CAR AUDIO FORUM!!! This thread has NOTHING TO DO WITH CAR AUDIO....(you shouldnt even be driving when consuming and drug, legal or not! ) It should be completely deleted and it's founder should be warned or banned as well. This sight/forum has no block, filter or limitations preventing viewing by influential young children. This thread is not acceptable... period! Oh, and I DO have the right, according to the rules of said forum, to post comments in said thread as long is is along the same subject matter.

Thank you,

 
This thread has NOTHING TO DO WITH CAR AUDIO...
It's in the "Miscellaneous Classifieds" section which, by definition, has nothing to do with car audio.

you shouldnt even be driving when consuming and drug, legal or not!
So a morning coffee is inherently dangerous?

This thread is not acceptable... period!
Questionable, yes. Acceptable...barely.

Oh, and I DO have the right, according to the rules of said forum, to post comments in said thread as long is is along the same subject matter.
Not if it's a classified ad.

This goes for anyone...leave the politics or personal beliefs out of it. Discuss it in the Lounge for all I care. Not in this thread.

no hard feelings, sn00kums :)

 
My original post:

Originally Posted by reneeb7363

This reply is not an attempt to flame guitarist or anyone else posting here but I must say, the context of this whole post, and those referencing to its benefits is ridiculous! (dude...your already fried and those brain cells will NEVER come back):

'You hate stereotypes and you don’t judge a book by its cover', as long as it is something you either believe in or do or it is something that a close friend or family member believe in...

you know nothing about diversity and acceptance... can you even begin to imagine how big that envelope is?

"its okay to be different as long as we are just like you???"

I don't know you from a hill of beans, but your statements are inflammatory and I personally believe, ridiculous. THIS is a STUPID THREAD!

And as far as Mr. Chong... did you EVER watch any of the Cheech and Chong Movies. Do you REALLY know what it was about and the reason why those movies were made? Do you know WHEN those movies were made? (Wipe the snot off your nose boy and pay attention)

It is NOT a difficult thing to add these two together and realize the correlation and sales tactics his son was using to promote pipes...regardless if it is used for tobacco or other "herbs." Cannabis is a mind-altering drug, in case you forgot, and hence is controlled. Alcohol is a mind-altering drug, and is controlled. Prescription medicines are mind-altering drugs, and are controlled. WTF is so bad about living life and experiencing REAL LIFE without distortion? Is it so bad you must lean on a crutch? Are you in such pain that you must alter your state of mind to cope? What is the real issue here?

Another thing.... why in the hell are sooo many people obsessed with choking the oxygen out of their lungs and introducing toxic substances into their bodies??? --- SMOKE OF ANY KIND IS TOXIC!!!! --

Well, now that at least five people are trying to knock me off my soapbox, I will gently step down and let you rant and rave about my statements and what a

B!TCH I must be because I "JUST DONT GET IT!" --- thank GAWD

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following is my reply, within the context of my rebuttal, within the angry statement that kindly asked me to F O ! LOL:

(here goes nuttin)

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Wow…. You are a brave, however foolish, man whose perception has obviously been clouded by the very same ‘product’ you support. I do believe I predicted this rebuttal to my stated opinion (read the last paragraph of my original entry) when I discussed the idiocy of this post and those whom are ‘too fried’ to understand the obvious intent of promotion of a product commonly used in a regulated, aka: criminal, activity. Hence, the federal seizure of said items and legal ramifications for those observed partaking in said market.

Let’s break down how idiotic these statements of attempted refute truly are:

(I will say nothing about the poor grammar and misspellings, however abundant they may be)

You = Idiot who needs to open their mind to other peoples practices...agian DO NOT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER. How are you one to judge drug use if you havent experenced it?
 
Did I, anywhere in my statement of dislike for the content of this thread, state that I had or had not consumed cannibus? Whom, may I say, has incriminated his remarks by presumption?

And for judging? What is your definition of acceptance? Do you laugh, make fun of, ridicule, or otherwise obtain a sense of dislike, may I say, ‘hatred’, for anyone that does not believe or think like you do? You sure ‘ripped’ on me because my opinions don’t agree with your ideals. I don’t agree with you, you do not agree with me. I have never told anyone to shut the ‘eff’ up because I do not agree with his or her opinions in a matter of debate.

Only people who use drugs as crutches are the ones in the gutter and emo teens.
OH? So this statement says to me that if you are just a casual user you cannot be or become addicted to the use of this substance. If you are white collar you are excluded from the feeling of necessity for this chemically altering drug, that, my dear sir, does, and has been proven to, destroy the “MUSH” (as you so fondly referred to my brain as) in between the users ears.

-quote: "To use [marijuana] is to take chemical shortcuts to the brain's pleasure center. It is not like riding a roller coaster or jumping out of an airplane. This is adding chemicals to your brain, not inducing a normal sensation. You are changing the way it normally functions and, in effect, creating a mental disorder. The brain bounces and bounces and finally stops bouncing back to normal."

(7/10/03) Glen Hanson

The rest (for the most part), its personal preference and exparamentation. Excessive Tobbaco use I dont really get. On occasion with good taste, yes, Cigaretts and cheap cigars and cheap oral tobbaco taste nasty, smell nasty, and provide no plesure other than looking "cool."

You have a personal preference to killing yourself? If you are intent on committing ******* you will be stopped and in some cases arrested to protect your life regardless of the state of mind you are currently “suffering.” So if one is not content on the teachings of his forefathers, one may not be inclined to believe that, say, jumping from an elevated location and the eventual termination of said jump will extinguish your life, it is okay to go ahead and “experiment” and find out if we were telling the truth?

Quote: "Smoked marijuana damages the brain, heart, lungs, and immune system. It impairs learning and interferes with memory, perception, and judgment. Smoked marijuana contains cancer-causing compounds and has been implicated in a high percentage of automobile crashes and workplace accidents."

-- John Walters, Director

Office of National Drug Control Policy

March 2002

 
Mind altering drugs, on the other hand, are to see and feel what it is like. To seek a form of "enlightenment", to relax, or to loosen up. Mind altering drugs have been used by many religions and many VERY VERY VERY intelegent people through out history. People so intelegent they would pwn that meeger, mushy substance you call a brain in your head. You have race horse blinders blocking your view. If you do not agree with drug use, fine, dont preech to anyone about it. When did I preach about drug use? I believe, in reviewing my original statement (again) that I was
A statement of health issues is all that is needed, and all health issues though to be associated with many drugs are caused by over usage or is bull spewed by propoganda. You have been brainwashed by the media and school DARE programs. Not everyone who uses drugs becomes physically or mentally addicted or has flash backs or becomes a junkie.
I love this slow-minded rebuttal you hear EVERYTIME someone stands up against the dangers of using controlled substances. All because they don’t want their so-called rights taken away from them to partake of a freakin DRUG! Ummmm ... hey Einstein, you are the epitomy of my statements. Reason

I know people who have never touched a drug in their life (alcohol included) but when they where knocked into a coma playing foot ball the out of body experence was something they enjoyed.
(you enjoy brain damage? You are not OUT OF YOUR BODY… your brain is injured and is trying to repair itself, dumbass! OMG! I cant believe that came out of your mind…wait, I can...never mind)

I personally do not smoke very often at all becayse it is unhealthy and I enjoy running and other physical activities too much. However, I see no problem with it.
You admit it’s negative health factors and yet you, by promoting a man’s right to sell an object that was created for burning and inhaling a toxic substance, encourage use of said chemicals? Wow… this just gets better.

As far as hard drugs, LSD, PCP, Cocaine, Meth, Heroin, etc... I do not agree with their usage, they are highly addictive and have proven to cause long term mental illness and psycoaltering flashbacks and nightmares years after a session of heavy usage (especially LSD and PSP). If a truely mind altering (halucinagentic) experence is wanted there are much safer ways and some legal ways.
 
Do you understand the actual medical condition that is creating this perceived euphoric/hallucinogenic experience? Your brain is DROWNING…..it has NO OXYGEN!

In the end, STFU if you are only here to try and bash any type of drug usage, legal or illegal.
Legal drug use is consumption of a controlled substance prescribed by a licensed professional. Alas, marijuana will never be a legal substance because the pro’s of said drug will NEVER out weigh the con’s. Any thing you ‘may’ find beneficial from the use of marijuana has already been synthesized in a safe and controlled form.

I don’t wish to try and add anything else to this next quote:

For you my dear paranoid weed smokin’ friend…

Quote: A March 2005 article in the journal Addiction titled "Tests of Causal Linkages Between Cannabis Use and Psychotic Symptoms" stated:

"Regression models adjusting for observed and non-observed confounding suggested that daily users of cannabis had rates of psychotic symptoms that were between 1.6 and 1.8 times higher than non-users of cannabis....

The results of the present study add to a growing body of evidence suggesting that regular cannabis use may increase risks of psychosis.

The present study suggests that:

A. the association between cannabis use and psychotic symptoms is unlikely to be due to confounding factors; and

B. the direction of causality is from cannabis use to psychotic symptoms."

 
You know what’s fun about this? Look at the post made by the two main people trying to argue this stuff. Each post uses more and more "big" words as if to try and show how smart they are lol. All I can do is picture them sitting there with dictionaries looking up new ways to say simple chit lol. They are talking crap about everyone spellings and grammar yet SEVERAL time misuse many words and carry on with run on sentences. Feel free to pick my post apart I’m sure they are filled errors I don’t care enough to check.

BTW PM sent

 
How I type is how I talk...Sorry if my vocabulary seems a little off. Do my misspellings suggest that I used a dictionary in any of my posts //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Argueing with Rene is like argueing with a politician. So here is. GTFO out of this thread if you arent inquiring about his product or discussing his product. Make an anti pot thread in the OT section so we will all know just how right you must be in your own mind. Keep your blinders on, it will make no difference in our lives.

As for correcting your misconstrued facts. The only highs which are associated with a loss of oxygen to the brain are black out highs. Huffing gasses to be more specific. Dusters, Whips, etc...are the new huffing and they are quite dangerous and are mostly carried out by emo teens and retards.

A hit of LSD will make you trip like no other drug can re create (sapposeably, I would not touch the mess personally)...it is taken orally (in general) and does not block any oxygen, it alters visual perceptions and forces the brain to produce more dopamine.

Same goes for Shrooms or PCP or Salvia.

You can take a good hit or two of weed (via bong, not a joint or pipe) and get quite stoned. Your brain is getting all of the oxygen it needs...THC is altering perceptions causing euphoric experences. The fact that you "hold it in" to get higher is to allow the smoke more time to transfer the drug to your blood stream...not to cut oxygen to the brain.

Not all drugs work on cutting oxygen to the brain, most simply alter perception or cut off a feeling.

Oh and one more thing about drug usage...as far as "soft" drugs being illegal, many drugs are illegal beause the goverment has no way to tax it or regulate it like they do tobbacoo and alcohol (tobbaco being hard to grow in quantities most uses would consume in most parts of the country and no way to refine it like tobbacco companies to do, alcohol being hard to distill with out it beind blaitantly obvious in most areas today, also, no way to purify it or get the refinement of quality in most top shelf liquors)... If they could tax and regulate it Im sure you could buy a joint in many of the more liberal states at the 7/11...and if you where caught smoking and driving it would be similar to drinking and driving. Using drugs and operating a vehicle are two things that should never be mixed and I think everyone will agree with me on that.

 
Since we're on the topic of medical whitepapers;

AMJ did a nice one titled,

"Ignorance and how it leads to inflated self-asessment." //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
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