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[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

Idk, were you get your Historical sources from but i suggest you double check. The land was almost exclusively occupied by Arabs. There was a small Jewish minority which lived peacefully side by side with those Arabs. This problem only occurred when millions of Jews from other parts of the world turned up and declared that the best parts of the region known as Palestine was theirs. They had absolutely no moral or legal right to do so. It was theft. Actually it is worse than that. This theft was "justified" by a claim that the Jewish God had promised them the land. In other words, the Arab-Israeli conflict was started by the creation of Israel state in the first place (which was an act of invasion an colonialism)

Not sure of your historical sources but the conflict doesn't go back to the 1940's how about you try the 5th century for Christian/Jewish fighting vs. Muslim. Guess you could even go back to the 3rd-4th Century BC when the Persian empire swept all the way into Greece and then got fuked up.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Idk, were you get your Historical sources from but i suggest you double check. The land was almost exclusively occupied by Arabs. There was a small Jewish minority which lived peacefully side by side with those Arabs. This problem only occurred when millions of Jews from other parts of the world turned up and declared that the best parts of the region known as Palestine was theirs. They had absolutely no moral or legal right to do so. It was theft. Actually it is worse than that. This theft was "justified" by a claim that the Jewish God had promised them the land. In other words, the Arab-Israeli conflict was started by the creation of Israel state in the first place (which was an act of invasion an colonialism)

But then what happened? The people who fought for their own land was marked as extremists, terrorists, even demons. And the one who started it are marked as victims. That's insane.

That land was appointed as a national home for the Jewish people by both the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations. Israel was even recognized as an independent state by Iran in 1948, and though Arab states have attempted many times to invade Israel and achieve their destruction, they have failed utterly for over 60 years, in large part due to backing from the international community who wish to see Israel remain in existence. Israel is recognized as an independent state by the vast majority of the world community, minus their Arab neighbors who continue to, as someone so eloquently put it "poke the big dog".

As for being extremists and terrorists, what else do you call people who strap bombs to themselves and detonate them in crowded marketplaces? There's not even any pretense of military objectives in their targeting. I feel sorry for children who get killed in these places, but maybe if you stop poking the dog and concentrate on providing for your family, life will get better, eh?

 

[Rashadddd 10+ year member]

That land was appointed as a national home for the Jewish people by both the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations. Israel was even recognized as an independent state by Iran in 1948, and though Arab states have attempted many times to invade Israel and achieve their destruction, they have failed utterly for over 60 years, in large part due to backing from the international community who wish to see Israel remain in existence. Israel is recognized as an independent state by the vast majority of the world community, minus their Arab neighbors who continue to, as someone so eloquently put it "poke the big dog".
As for being extremists and terrorists, what else do you call people who strap bombs to themselves and detonate them in crowded marketplaces? There's not even any pretense of military objectives in their targeting. I feel sorry for children who get killed in these places, but maybe if you stop poking the dog and concentrate on providing for your family, life will get better, eh?

What would the US do if the rest of the world said our country now belongs to the arabs? And they started moving in and taking over, and imposing their laws on us.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

They don't need to, the US is giving the American Indian back everything they ever lost and then some.

 

[Rashadddd 10+ year member]

They don't need to, the US is giving the American Indian back everything they ever lost and then some.

lolz

1. you didn't even come close to answering the question

2. how so?

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

lolz
1. you didn't even come close to answering the question

2. how so?

Guessing you don't live around any large American Indian populations.

 

[Rashadddd 10+ year member]

Guessing you don't live around any large American Indian populations.

no i dont. If you have a point, perhaps you should get to it

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

I don't need to, I made it. Did you have one?

 

[atoz350 10+ year member]

You are wrong. Palastine needs to give up the idea that the land the Israelis took from them is still rightfully theirs. Israel needs to understand that the land wasn't theirs in the first place.
Once those steps are taken they can flip for it.

Can the same be said for Mexicans?

 

[MmatsDude 10+ year member]

Can the same be said for Mexicans?

Read my previous posts.

As for being extremists and terrorists, what else do you call people who strap bombs to themselves and detonate them in crowded marketplaces? There's not even any pretense of military objectives in their targeting. I feel sorry for children who get killed in these places, but maybe if you stop poking the dog and concentrate on providing for your family, life will get better, eh?

That land was appointed as a national home for the Jewish people by both the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations. Israel was even recognized as an independent state by Iran in 1948, and though Arab states have attempted many times to invade Israel and achieve their destruction,

I suggest you research some History in this matter because that doesn’t follow to what I am talking about. I'm talking about the origin and History of this, century’s back and why there at war, from then on you'll see that Israel had no right to take the land. Israel was Palestine, it belong to them PERIOD! but if you want to start from the 1940‘s and on its fine with me. Furthermore for the fact that Israel have taken Palestinian land away - with support from America. After World War II, thousands (or more) of Jewish Israelis needed a place to live, and the USA thought the Palestinian area would be perfect, so they gave the Palestinians a time trial, after which they had to move. The politest way, in my opinion. I would be raged too. Also, influx of legal and illegal immigration happened when WWII occurred. Granted some Jews validly bought land from poor Arabs, but the fact of the matter is, regardless of population, the Jews only owned 7% of the land, whereas the Palestinians the rest. Furthermore, the Arabs outnumbered the Jews 2 to 1, yet the UNGA Partition Resolution recommended giving 55% of the land (that included the ports and green area) to the minority population. So of course the Arabs attacked. Who wouldn't?! But they lost, and the Jews took more land.

They don't need to, the US is giving the American Indian back everything they ever lost and then some.

Wait a minute! Aside from this being a crude analogy to the Israel/Palestine debate, I would hardly call the land that the US government gave to the Native Americans sufficient. They essentially gave them the most worthless land they could find. When silver or gold were found on that land, the Native Americans were kicked out and moved to an even more crummy piece of land. I think that it is ridiculous to think that the land that was given to the Native Americans was given in courtesy, it was more a way to get them out of the way.

In the case of Native Americans, land was forcibly taken away from them starting 500 years ago. Further, most of the Native Americans are dead. So returning land to them seems dubious since it happened so long ago and most of the rightful heirs are dead. This is a different from Israel. Second, the Palestinian Arab outnumber Israelis whereas American citizens outnumber Native Americans by a landslide (I don't know how many Native Americans there are). So most of the rightful owners and their heirs are still alive. In fact, many of them are older than the state of Israel.

Additionally, Native Americans weren't one Nation, as would be the case of people like Israel and Palestine. Indeed, we do try to group them altogether by referring to them as Native Americans, or more derogatorily as Natives, but to not know the difference between the Sioux, the Hopi, the Navajo, the Crow, etc. is to not understand the predicament at all. Perhaps you should read some Sun Bear...he illustrates the atrocities very well in a short book entitled "Black Dawn, Bright Day". Perhaps ya'll are familiar with a hopi term, Namqoyqatzi. I would say that it is the perfect word to describe what befell the native Americans, maybe even what's befallen the entire world. But Israel and Palestine are unique in their situation, and providing this analogy to America vs. Native Americans does little in the way of furthering the discussion because its completely irrelevant.

 

[MmatsDude 10+ year member]

they have failed utterly for over 60 years, in large part due to backing from the international community who wish to see Israel remain in existence. Israel is recognized as an independent state by the vast majority of the world community, minus their Arab neighbors who continue to, as someone so eloquently put it "poke the big dog".

keep in mind, nobody on earth but the united states supports Israel today, and more european, asian & african nations are supporting the arab world. with a best friend like ham-handed, short-sighted dubya. Also, the united states supports israel as the stick in conjunction with the petrodollar carrot to keep the arab dictators in line and in a state of constant low-intensity war against their own people. The stick's getting too heavy and the carrot isn't that sweet anymore.

 

[Rashadddd 10+ year member]

What we did to the native americans is some of the most fvcked up "how could you possibly call yourselves christians" shit we could have done...giving them small shitty areas designated for them to live isn't even close to reparation...we owe half our country to them

 

[Rashadddd 10+ year member]

again, if this happened in the US, how would we react? just peacefully walk away I suppose

 

[ThomasG 5,000+ posts]

Poor kids having to grow up with that shit. Children are born pure and innocent. Really a shame they have to be raised in all that quarrel.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

I love it... a couple of Cali-boys talking about how shitty Native Americans have it. Haha... come talk to me when you know something about how it works TODAY, ladies.... TODAY. I'm not making excuses for shit anyone did 100 years ago or 200 years ago... I live in TODAY'S world. I'm not responsible for shit anyone else did. If you wanna go all the way back, Israel belonged the Hebrews well before the Arabs, and to the Canaanites prior to that... how long you wanna go back? Hell, even the American Indians don't have right to claim this land we live in, because it belonged to the buffalo before them. Hell, birds are the most direct descendants of dinosaurs and they roamed before the buffalo, so maybe we should just give it all up for them??? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

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And as for expansion, well, most of that land has been taken in conflicts directly perpetrated by Arab states attacking Israel, hasn't it? Like when Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria tried to overrun Israel and got their ***** handed to them?

Do I feel sorry for some of them? Sure... but if you'd just shut the **** up and move on with your **** lives, it would be a helluva lot better... like I said, stop poking the big dog and start providing for your family. What's so hard to grasp about that concept?