Out of curiousity...

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Savant silkworm missles are not illegal for him to have..

 

I believe they were talking about 2 SCUDs.. and those were ones that (presuming that's all he has/had) the UN knew were unaccounted for.. To that I'll ask again, are 2 SCUD missles worth the life of the 40+ Allied deaths, and all the other deaths associated to this war so far? not to mention that the battle at Baghdad is yet to come and is going to get real messy..

well, he claimed to not have them, so then how do we know that he doesnt have other things?

Originally posted by Savant Hey nswartley! I want a link for PROOF. Saddam said he doesn't have any.

 

How do we KNOW they were scuds or silkworms. The anti Saddam crowd accepts a bottle rocket (not plural) as proof. Now again I ask...how do you KNOW?

 

We know George started the war cause he's a cowboy. He might well have ordered it himself.

 

AND PLEASE stop using facts! Only conjecture and prejudice apply.

 

PEACE

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[LWW 10+ year member]

well, he claimed to not have them, so then how do we know that he doesnt have other things?

Because he said he didn't! DUH! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/nono.gif.eca61d170185779e0921b0faa9704973.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/nono.gif.eca61d170185779e0921b0faa9704973.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/nono.gif.eca61d170185779e0921b0faa9704973.gif

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by nswartley well, he claimed to not have them, so then how do we know that he doesnt have other things?

 

I take it you mean the SCUDs.. I've not heard that he ever claimed not to have 'missles' or specifically 'silkworm' missles..

And I agree completely with your statement (presuming we are talking just the SCUDs).. he lied about them, we suspected he had 2 based on what was NOT accounted for in his document.. but, I haven't seen anything about 'missing' weapons plants or chem weapon plants, etc from the inspectors.. the inspectors said there were 2 SCUDs unaccounted from based on what we knew he had and what he said he destroyed.. so far I'm aware of 2 SCUDs.. hmm.. he never claimed to destroy them and here they are.. he said he destroyed many others, and we haven't seen any more.. POSSIBLITY: he actually destroyed the things he calimed he did and gave full discloser of such.. MEANING: there could be a lot of things he has that we 'suspect' since we knew about them but they aren't in his destruction docs or disclosure docs.. WHAT IT DOES NOT MEAN: he has WMD..

So far, yes, he has had a few things he said he didn't have.. but they are also things we had reason to believe he had based on inconsistencies in various reports.. If Saddam said he destroyed 98 SCUDs (for example) and we thought he had 100 at some point.. and he ONLY had the 2 he shot at us.. then despite his being a liar and lying about 'not having any', he was (or at least it still hasn't been substantiated as innacurate) telling the truth about destroying those 98.. He's being deceitful, I agree.. he's lied about 'what he has', yes.. for at least 2 realtively benign missles.. does that mean he still has Chem/Bio weapons or WMD? not directly.. MIGHT he have them? of course he might.. but might isn't a fact, and it was expressed as fact to justify the invasion of Iraq.. That's my contention right there.. we started (continued as LWW sees it) this action based on false logic and potentially lies..

Interesting note.. They just had a report on CNN where Iraq is the cheapest place in the world to process crude oil (like $5 a barrel to process??), and studies show it might have as much as 10 times the oil in it's field as Saudi Arabia.. Hmm.. and Saudi is currently the world leader for reserve (25% of the currently know oil is in Saudi).. so now, if Iraq ends up having 10 X that much, and it's under US control.. HMMMMMMmmm...... not about oil? An oil family invades, on behalf of the US, what might be the biggest oil reserve on the planet by 10x the next biggest which is several times more than it's nearest competitor? Interesting..

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

I take it you mean the SCUDs.. I've not heard that he ever claimed not to have 'missles' or specifically 'silkworm' missles..

WHOA Nellie!! The bullshit detectors just went off.

From UN res 1441:

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 , of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material

but, I haven't seen anything about 'missing' weapons plants or chem weapon plants, etc from the inspectors..

WHOOOP!!! WHOOOP!! WHOOOP!! There it goes again.

From UN res 1441:

and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

 

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites

.. but might isn't a fact, and it was expressed as fact to justify the invasion of Iraq.. That's my contention right there.. we started (continued as LWW sees it) this action based on false logic and potentially lies..

Uh...wrong again. Saddamite Hussinsein started it with the Kuwait invasion. We gave him 12 yrs to make it right. He REFUSED. Hostilities restart. DUH!

More from UN res 1441:

Recalling that in its resolution 687 the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

REALITY dude. I know the word annoys you. And now everyone can see why.

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Tell ya what, this is the last time I respond to 'any' post you make attacking me.

I've never attacked you dude. I have RETALIATED and there is a difference. You started the bully stuff before I even came here.

maybe a dick up your *** would loosen you up a bit

Savant this is the second time you have suggested fornication with me. Must be my rugged good looks. Sorry though Dude I'm very understanding of people's right to do their own thing as long as it involves only them...but that ain't my thing. But to each their own.

then try to imply I'm defending Saddam, yet AGAIN, showing your ignorance and being able to accept that criticizing Bush is NOT the same as supporting Saddam..

Dude I only offered your own pap back to you and you didn't like the taste.

If the US KNOWS/KNEW these places existed and where they were, A) why aren't we bombing them now (if we aren't that is)

Dude we are.

if Saddam said they were gone and they weren't, then we get to blow them up.. if they are missing, that would be the 'proof' you want.. The point is, we don't know if they are still there now or not (we, the public).. And, your report shows them from 7 years ago.. no idea what the state of them is now..

Back to my question. He had them. He admitted that. WHERE ARE THEY?

If the left put the heat on EVIL that they do on the USA this would have ended at least a decade ago.

Since you as usual have no cogent argument to dispute the facts I have no choice but to assume that you know the truth but are deluded by ideology to face the truth...the EEEVILLL Dubya is doing the right thing. You will never admit it. In the back of your mind though Savant you KNOW I'm right and that's what eats you.

Well you gotta live with it dude not me.

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW WHOA Nellie!! The bullshit detectors just went off.

 

From UN res 1441:

 

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 , of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material

 

 

 

WHOOOP!!! WHOOOP!! WHOOOP!! There it goes again.

 

From UN res 1441:

 

and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

 

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites

 

 

 

Uh...wrong again. Saddamite Hussinsein started it with the Kuwait invasion. We gave him 12 yrs to make it right. He REFUSED. Hostilities restart. DUH!

 

More from UN res 1441:

 

Recalling that in its resolution 687 the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

 

REALITY dude. I know the word annoys you. And now everyone can see why.

 

PEACE

This would not be like exhibit ZZZ for the case showing you are a moron that can't debate.. You keep showing these pieces of the resolution, yet show NOTHING to support your allegations.. Yes, he was to disclose his missles (all, not just potentially illegal).. guess what moron, silkworm missles have a range of 60 miles, WELL below the legal limit of 93.. so what was the point of the first resolution text other than to show how stupid you are?

To my knowledge, we haven't found any nukelear facilities either.. As to bombing things, yes, we are bombing all kinds of places, but I've not heard of any of those being factories as of yet.. 'military' bunkers, offices, etc etc..

You may think that it automatically follows that 12 years after a ceasefire and LEAVING THE BATTLE FIELD that you just 'resume', but if that was the case then Bush wouldn't have to come up with reasons to go in.. Oh, wait!.. to 'continue' he would have had to PROVE non-compliance to the 17th resolution yet Saddam was BLOWING UP MISSLES and the UN said we had no rights to go in under the resolution.. so Bush made up his own reasons..

Reality doesn't bother me at all, everyone with 1/2 an ounce of brains KNOWS why your girlish chant bothers me, I explained it.. Reality seems to be something you have become an expert at dodging.. congratulations..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW I've never attacked you dude. I have RETALIATED and there is a difference. You started the bully stuff before I even came here.

So, you are the saviour of the board? you show up and 'avenge' them? What a hero you are..

Savant this is the second time you have suggested fornication with me. Must be my rugged good looks. Sorry though Dude I'm very understanding of people's right to do their own thing as long as it involves only them...but that ain't my thing. But to each their own.

Actually, it's the first time anyone with even a hint of intelligence would be able to possibly come to that conclusion.. the 'first' time you are thinking about is when I told you to fuk off, your wishful thinking must have kicked in and made you think it said something else.. As to this time.. just because you might benifit from it, doesn't mean I have any desire to do it.. sorry, hate to burst your bubble..

Dude I only offered your own pap back to you and you didn't like the taste.

I have no idea what you think you are saying here, but you aren't saying anything.. You distort the context of what people say beyond anything that a normal human being could accept as 'mistake' and use the most futile and juvinile argument/debate tactics then try to say you are 'offering me back my pap'? Whatever, more examples of your not being able to comprehend what you read.. I criticiz Bush and you imply Saddam and I are buddies.. that's giving what back? Oh, wait, I keep forgetting, REALITY.. that thing that is a vaccuous concept for you..

Back to my question. He had them. He admitted that. WHERE ARE THEY?

Again, MORON.. I replied to that.. check the 3k page document.. he probably claimed to destroy them, and his being a liar does NOT preclude the possibility that they actaully were destroyed.. not that you can get past b to c from a without a rope..

If the left put the heat on EVIL that they do on the USA this would have ended at least a decade ago.

Funny how the left tends to be the humanitarian group (welfare, gov programs to help the less fortunate, etc etc) and THEY are to blame for BUSH leaving those people in Saddam's hands AFTER HE TOLD THEM TO RIOT IN THE STREETS.. yeah, blame the left for the RIGHTS failing.. good idea //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Since you as usual have no cogent argument to dispute the facts I have no choice but to assume that you know the truth but are deluded by ideology to face the truth

Projection my friend, projection.. As with the last post I responded to, you post a bunch of words that do nothing to support your implied point.. yet I'M the one with nothing to support my statements?? I say we have NO PROOF of WOMD, Chem, Bio weapons, you say we have proof.. yet show no proof, knowing full well my statement technically 'is proved' until ONE example is provided to show otherwise.. you can't show ONE example to disprove my statement.. Who can't dispute facts? Yup.. YOU.. sorry, don't mean to bully you with REALITY again.. but..

the EEEVILLL Dubya is doing the right thing. You will never admit it. In the back of your mind though Savant you KNOW I'm right and that's what eats you.

what eats me is that the human race allows people like you to survive.. If we were in the wild living by the true laws of nature, idiots like you would be eaten by wild animals or killed by someone stronger than you because you would do something stupid and try to use false logic to sneak out.. Society is falling into the shitter ever faster, and it's being fueld by people like you and Bush.. Reports are showing the the oil fields in Iraq MAY BE THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD, 10 TIME MORE THAN SAUDI ARABI .. Combine with that the RUSHED way we went to war, combine that with the FACT that there is NO PROOF of WOMD, Chem, Bio weapons in Iraq, combine that with the FACT that the US HAS NEVER STARTED A FOEGEIN CONFLICT FOR HUMANITARIAN reason, combie that with the FACT that it's illegal to change a sovereign forgein government for PERSONAL INTEREST (I believe it's in general, so for personal interest would be on top of that).. you start to get a pretty clear picture of the FACT that this is an unjust war run by an unjust oil monger ... Did Dubya make sure we are NOT using depleted uranium bullets? Those are causing HORRIFIC travesties on the Iraqi people from the 1991 conflict.. Conservatives don't give a shit about people, they care about money.. So why is it then that the Conservatives, for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY started a war to liberate forgein people? couldn't be the oil, couldn't be that Iraq is the cheapest place in the world to process oil.. couldn't be a coincedence that the leader of the free world is one of the biggest oil tycoons in the country.. na, none of that matters.. right? Reality.. try some.. ... well, you better not, the shock of it all might kill you..

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

You keep showing these pieces of the resolution, yet show NOTHING to support your allegations.. Yes, he was to disclose his missles (all, not just potentially illegal).. guess what moron, silkworm missles have a range of 60 miles, WELL below the legal limit of 93.. so what was the point of the first resolution text other than to show how stupid you are?

Ummm...please check the link shown. The extended range Silkworm C201 has a range of exactly 150KM which skates exactly to the limit. Perhaps a weasel approach to slide by.

http://www.nti.org/db/china/wcmdat_table.htm

To my knowledge, we haven't found any nukelear facilities either..

Dude...we don't HAVE to find them, even though we did and satellite photos have been released showing this, Saddamite admitted to having them. He has to show they were destroyed.

You may think that it automatically follows that 12 years after a ceasefire and LEAVING THE BATTLE FIELD that you just 'resume', but if that was the case then Bush wouldn't have to come up with reasons to go in.. Oh, wait!.. to 'continue' he would have had to PROVE non-compliance to the 17th resolution yet Saddam was BLOWING UP MISSLES and the UN said we had no rights to go in under the resolution.. so Bush made up his own reasons..

WRONG! We have every right to resume hostilities. The UN never said we can't. France promised a veto on any vote which came up. It never did although the votes were there for a majority. Please try to get a fact right once.

So, you are the saviour of the board? you show up and 'avenge' them? What a hero you are..

Thanks.

he probably claimed to destroy them, and his being a liar does NOT preclude the possibility that they actaully were destroyed..

No actually he admitted to having them at the cease fire. Proof #1. He used them in Iraq against the Kurds. Proof #2. He used them in Iran. Proof #3. UNSCOM declared he had hid them as recently as 1997. UNMOVIC has stated that he has refused to demonstrate their destruction. His story now is he never had them at all. The Allies are under no obligation to prove anything. Saddam has an obligation to prove their destruction.

juvinile

J-U-V-E-N-I-L-E

benifit

B-E-N-E-F-I-T

FOEGEIN

F-O-R-E-I-G-N

MORON

S-A-V-A-N-T

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY started a war to liberate forgein people?

There you go. I knew you could do it. YAY!

I agree. To the best of my knowledge we have never started a war to liberate forgers or counterfeiters.

By the way which war was this because I support you completely in stopping this insanity, unless I misunderstood your post. Were they possibly US iron and/or steel workers? If that is the case I would be in support of this war also.

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Ummm...please check the link shown. The extended range Silkworm C201 has a range of exactly 150KM which skates exactly to the limit. Perhaps a weasel approach to slide by.

 

http://www.nti.org/db/china/wcmdat_table.htm

 

Once again.. you hoped that people would trust your ignorance and lack of reading skills.. according to YOUR LINK, the range is 95 Km, WELL BELOW the 150 range.. Here.. so you don't get confused..

"HY-2/C-201[CSS-N-3 Silkworm].........Coastal defense anti-ship 95 km.....513 kg.........Conventional HE warhead

Nuclear warhead under development (?)

Liquid propellant; autopilot with active radar or IR guidance; self-control plus homing guidance In service; 0.9 Mach speed; 310 launchers; single-fire or salvo launch mode; variants include HY-2G, HY-2A, and HY-2B; export version designated C-201; often referred to as the "Silkworm" missile" "

Dude...we don't HAVE to find them, even though we did and satellite photos have been released showing this, Saddamite admitted to having them. He has to show they were destroyed.

no, we have to see if they are destroyed since no matter what he says or produces as documents, we don't believe him.. again, INSPECTIONS could have helped there, BEFORE we sent in troops.. You say we KNEW where some of these were from sattelite photos.. ok, then we knew where to look..

WRONG! We have every right to resume hostilities. The UN never said we can't. France promised a veto on any vote which came up. It never did although the votes were there for a majority. Please try to get a fact right once.

I don't think we truely have a right to walk back in.. it's been 12 years, and despite the MANY vilation, we WENT IN WHILE HE WAS COMPLYING.. sorry, your point is pretty full of shit. Had he not been destroying missles and wasn't letting inspectors move around WHEN we went in, that would be different and your argument might have some merrit.. though, I would argue that that would NOT be 'continuing', it would be 'starting based on his violations'.. That's a hair to be split which is totally moot now..

No actually he admitted to having them at the cease fire. Proof #1. He used them in Iraq against the Kurds. Proof #2. He used them in Iran. Proof #3. UNSCOM declared he had hid them as recently as 1997. UNMOVIC has stated that he has refused to demonstrate their destruction. His story now is he never had them at all. The Allies are under no obligation to prove anything. Saddam has an obligation to prove their destruction.

We have the obligation to be just. It's been 6 years since there has been any knowledge of them (being missles, at least according to the several posts back this quote was threaded to).. he was destroying missles.. Bush said tuff and invaded.. NOT JUST.. Face that FACT that Bush is on a personal crusade for oil and to get revenge for his daddy.. We don't (as a country) give a shit about the people of Iraq. If Bush really cared about people, he wouldn't have pissed away the federal funding he had for child health insurance programs and gave it to his oil buddies back when he was govenor of Texas..

J-U-V-E-N-I-L-E

 

B-E-N-E-F-I-T

 

F-O-R-E-I-G-N

Yes, my bad.. I have splling mistakes, please, bring in the militia and have me executed.. But, again, we are back to you not having valid points so you use 1/2 statements and distractions like trying to use spelling as a justification for invalidating a point.. good job..

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW ->for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY started a war to liberate forgein people?

There you go. I knew you could do it. YAY!

 

I agree. To the best of my knowledge we have never started a war to liberate forgers or counterfeiters.

(forgive my spelling.. foreign.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif )

Actually, you don't get it. The US DOES NOT LIBERATE PEOPLE FOR JUST NO REASON.. never have and, with conservatives in government, never will.. For one, IT'S ILLEGAL to remove a legitimit leader of a sovereign nation! IT"S NOT OUR BUSINESS or our RIGHT.. period.. Once there is a civil war in some country, the legitimacy of the leader is being questioned, and we can probably leagally go in.. Otherwise we can NOT.. So, for Bush to claim to care about those people is all fine and good, but it's an ILLEGAL ACTION to remove Saddam for the betterment of his people.. Again, we have never done it before, so why now? Oh, wait.. for OIL.. doesn't change the legality (or lack there of) of the action we are currently ingaged in.

For this to have been a continuation, Bush would have had to wait till Saddam stopped complying with resolution 1441.. he WAS complying, so going in the face of complyance PROVES this is about something DIFFERENT than the 91 issues, and is therefore STARTING a conflict.. Since conservatives are against Welfare and humanitarian programs in the US, I have a very hard time believing they care about the Iraqi people when there are things that conservatives DO care about there, like perhaps the largest oil reserve in the entire world, and the cheapest (meaning highest profit potential) crude processing in the world..

Mark my words, I won't be supprised if in less than 5 years Iraq becomes a US Territory..

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Once again.. you hoped that people would trust your ignorance and lack of reading skills.. according to YOUR LINK, the range is 95 Km, WELL BELOW the 150 range.. Here.. so you don't get confused..

Once again you pull up bullshit as evidence. Paraphrasing the info on the thread. Take things out of context or ignore addl data which shows your own ignorance and prejudice and then complain of the same? Bait and beotch. Sad. Here is the rest of the link referring to the long range variant IF you can pull your head from your sphincter long enough to read. The only thing I'm confused about is WHY you keep begging for a brain spanking?

HY-4/C-201/ C-201W/

C-611/XW-41

[CSSC-7 "Sadsack"]

Coastal defense anti-ship 150 km

500 kg

Conventional HE warhead Turbojet engine; autopilot and active radar guidance In service; XW-41 later version under development (?); C-201W designation for export version (?); C-611 designation for export version of air-launched variant (?)

no, we have to see if they are destroyed since no matter what he says or produces as documents, we don't believe him.. again, INSPECTIONS could have helped there, BEFORE we sent in troops.. You say we KNEW where some of these were from sattelite photos.. ok, then we knew where to look..

Now to release the data to inspectors we put informants lives at risk...then the data dries up. By the cease fire Saddam has the onus on him.

I don't think we truely have a right to walk back in.. it's been 12 years, and despite the MANY vilation, we WENT IN WHILE HE WAS COMPLYING.. sorry, your point is pretty full of shit. Had he not been destroying missles and wasn't letting inspectors move around WHEN we went in, that would be different and your argument might have some merrit..

Wrong again. The cease fire gives us every right AND obligation. The missiles were being destroyed a handful a week AFTER he was busted in ANOTHER lie about not having them. He was NOT in compliance he was dragging his feet buying time.

We have the obligation to be just. It's been 6 years since there has been any knowledge of them (being missles, at least according to the several posts back this quote was threaded to).. he was destroying missles.. Bush said tuff and invaded.. NOT JUST..

And being just means punishing those who are breaking intl law. Thanks.

Face that FACT that Bush is on a personal crusade for oil and to get revenge for his daddy..

Hey you just gave 2 reasons so both reasons are void hence by your own logic you are wrong. Thanks again.

I have splling mistakes, please, bring in the militia and have me executed..

Sorry man but I believe in justice so you would get a fair trial and poor grammar is hardly an offense calling for execution. By the way what did you spill by mistake?

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Once again you pull up bullshit as evidence. Paraphrasing the info on the thread. Take things out of context or ignore addl data which shows your own ignorance and prejudice and then complain of the same? Bait and beotch. Sad. Here is the rest of the link referring to the long range variant IF you can pull your head from your sphincter long enough to read. The only thing I'm confused about is WHY you keep begging for a brain spanking?

 

 

HY-4/C-201/C-201W/

 

C-611/XW-41

 

[CSSC-7 "Sadsack"]

Coastal defense anti-ship 150 km

500 kg

Conventional HE warhead Turbojet engine; autopilot and active radar guidance In service; XW-41 later version under development (?); C-201W designation for export version (?); C-611 designation for export version of air-launched variant (?)

 

Only, it was reported to be a SILKWORM, not the SADSACK 'silkworm variant'.. care to explain that? Agan, again, as you noted, even if it IS the variant, the MAX range is 'at' the legal limit.. not that I'm buying that it was the variant just because you know a variant exists..

 

Again, no point in discussing things with you.. Just like you try to say I take things out of context knowing FULL well you are the one that does that. I simply look at what you say and show you how ignorant it is most of the time.. It's not my fault if you can't communicate your point.. Had you mentioned the variant and showed any substantiation to believe it was the variant, then you might have had a point.. but the way it was presented, with the reports of it being a silkworm and NOT a sadsack, you again just spout bullshit to hear yourself talk..

 

With that, I'm done playing your games in this thread too.. The mere fact that you felt the need to start it shows your distinct lack of maturity..

 

Enjoy the rest of your war.. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be the last war the world sees (unless it sparks permanant peace instead of global catastrophy)

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

An example of regurgitated pap:

Had you mentioned the variant and showed any substantiation to believe it was the variant, then you might have had a point.. but the way it was presented

AN example of truth:

The extended range Silkworm C201 has a range of exactly 150KM which skates exactly to the limit.

Well I did say that and the maps on CNN of the trajectory claimed a distance of 100KM-105KM. Sorry I forgot that only proof ehich backs your pap counts my apologies. At least we agree it wasn't a bottle rocket.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/nono.gif.eca61d170185779e0921b0faa9704973.gif :nono: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/nono.gif.eca61d170185779e0921b0faa9704973.gif

For one, IT'S ILLEGAL to remove a legitimit leader of a sovereign nation! IT"S NOT OUR BUSINESS or our RIGHT.. period.. Once there is a civil war in some country, the legitimacy of the leader is being questioned, and we can probably leagally go in.. Otherwise we can NOT..

OOOPS!!! Here comes truth again. The Ba'ath party seized power at the barrel of a gun. They executed the LEGITIMATE govt on TV and displayed the bodies publicly. Saddamite Hussinsein then through murder and beatings seized power from a relative (I believe his uncle) and insurrections have been ongoing since and being brutally repressed. In the face of the TRUTH you support Saddam as a legitimate natl leader yet say you don't support him. INTERESTING???

For this to have been a continuation, Bush would have had to wait till Saddam stopped complying with resolution 1441.. he WAS complying, so going in the face of complyance PROVES this is about something DIFFERENT than the 91 issues, and is therefore STARTING a conflict.. Since conservatives are against Welfare and humanitarian programs in the US, I have a very hard time believing they care about the Iraqi people

Dude listen to yourself. SADDAM HAS NEVER COMPLIED!!!. Bush I said it. Bush II said it. The UN said it. UNMOVIC said it. UNSCOM said it. Hans Blix said it. Clinton said it. Gore said it. Even France said it.

Your veil has been pulled back. This is all about political ideology. If Commander and Thief Willy Jeff Clinton or Vice Perpetrator Al Bore were in office and doing the same thing I guarantee you would be hailing them as the second coming of the messiah. And for the record I supported the Slickmeister when he was going to handle this in 98. Sadly being a draft dodger he could not politicly survive a boots on the ground operation and new it. Politics and ideology over national interest and human rights.

Liberal pablum repuked in it's purest form IMHO.

PEACE

 

[Natheo 10+ year member]

holy ****!