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<blockquote data-quote="Straegen" data-source="post: 3178534" data-attributes="member: 578770"><p>My post is in reponse to matching the sonic qualities of the speakers. A lot of people just rattle off Focal this, Dynaudio that because they are top of the line and they are incredible when properly used. However, throwing a Dynaudio speaker in the middle of XYZ isn't necessarily going to fix your problem and in most systems it will probably make it worse as far as quality is concerned. Most times you add a speaker it becomes harder to balance the sound. Ultimately it is personal preference, but matching similarly powered speakers with prematched frequency curves is good advice.</p><p></p><p>My suggestion was to either use a speaker from the same manufactoring line designed to do what he wants so you have much hassle in trying to figure out a good speaker to match his existing set (as in power handling, frequency reponse, etc) or if you are crossing over at lower frequencies (midbass means different things to different people) use one of the already mentioned speakers that others had posted. The ones posted by others above are IMO reasonable Midbass speakers. </p><p>Less detail has to be paid to matching in sub 1khz as your ears can't distinguish direction easily below 1000hz and our hearing is really tuned to detail at 2000-5000hz. The closer you get to 20hz the less detail you can hear and thus the less important correct balancing and matching becomes. Doesn't mean it still isn't important (at least to some), but it does mean it isn't as crucial as the critical hearing range.</p><p></p><p>Also as many of us haven't heard the hundreds that are out there and a car shop is no place to audition a set of speakers... they need to be installed in a car before you can really get a sense of a speaker. Even then lspeaker placement, interior design, etc all contribute to how a speaker will ultimately sound.</p><p></p><p>Agreed on the excellent sound part, but the closer you get to where us humans ears are dialed in and can hear detail the better off you are going to be matching frequency reponse curves from one speaker to another. It is unlikely that a set of Focals and Dynaudio playing the same midbass/midrange frequencies in car are going to sound as good as if you went with Dynaudios to begin with and had no overlap. Speaker manufactorers generally tend to build their speakers to match and high end ones spend a lot of time doing just that. Doesn't mean you can't do it yourself, doesn't mean you can't improve on their design, but it is easier to simply go with the flow and get a matching set. It will likely upgrade his midbass, match his power handling on the other speakers and it will also likely be closer to his budget. If he has XYZ crap speakers throwing a Dynaudio in it isn't going to help much. If he has say RF speakers, adding a similar RF midbass speaker from the same line is going to do exactly what he asked. Could there be a better speaker out there for him, sure. However, you really aren't going to know unless you heard his system and my advice likely won't be wasting his money putting a high quality speaker in the middle of a midrange component set or vice-versa.</p><p>Cross over (including slope) is extremely important as is power handling, placement, etc. Saying "does not matter where you are crossing them" is simply wrong. A speaker that was designed to run at say 100-500hz isn't going to sound very good if you cross it over at 500-5000hz. Running two speakers from different manufactores in the 500-1000hz range on the right side is going to sound as good IMO as running one speaker or likely even as good as two speakers same model. </p><p>Well I can't say I am an expert, but I have built some monster installs, I have won/placed in several local contests (a few years ago when I competed... never SPL) and I have run the gambit from 10k installs to 1k installs. These are just my opinions from being in the scene from when it really was about sound (mid 90s) and not what rims I have or pimping my ride with a PS3.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Straegen, post: 3178534, member: 578770"] My post is in reponse to matching the sonic qualities of the speakers. A lot of people just rattle off Focal this, Dynaudio that because they are top of the line and they are incredible when properly used. However, throwing a Dynaudio speaker in the middle of XYZ isn't necessarily going to fix your problem and in most systems it will probably make it worse as far as quality is concerned. Most times you add a speaker it becomes harder to balance the sound. Ultimately it is personal preference, but matching similarly powered speakers with prematched frequency curves is good advice. My suggestion was to either use a speaker from the same manufactoring line designed to do what he wants so you have much hassle in trying to figure out a good speaker to match his existing set (as in power handling, frequency reponse, etc) or if you are crossing over at lower frequencies (midbass means different things to different people) use one of the already mentioned speakers that others had posted. The ones posted by others above are IMO reasonable Midbass speakers. Less detail has to be paid to matching in sub 1khz as your ears can't distinguish direction easily below 1000hz and our hearing is really tuned to detail at 2000-5000hz. The closer you get to 20hz the less detail you can hear and thus the less important correct balancing and matching becomes. Doesn't mean it still isn't important (at least to some), but it does mean it isn't as crucial as the critical hearing range. Also as many of us haven't heard the hundreds that are out there and a car shop is no place to audition a set of speakers... they need to be installed in a car before you can really get a sense of a speaker. Even then lspeaker placement, interior design, etc all contribute to how a speaker will ultimately sound. Agreed on the excellent sound part, but the closer you get to where us humans ears are dialed in and can hear detail the better off you are going to be matching frequency reponse curves from one speaker to another. It is unlikely that a set of Focals and Dynaudio playing the same midbass/midrange frequencies in car are going to sound as good as if you went with Dynaudios to begin with and had no overlap. Speaker manufactorers generally tend to build their speakers to match and high end ones spend a lot of time doing just that. Doesn't mean you can't do it yourself, doesn't mean you can't improve on their design, but it is easier to simply go with the flow and get a matching set. It will likely upgrade his midbass, match his power handling on the other speakers and it will also likely be closer to his budget. If he has XYZ crap speakers throwing a Dynaudio in it isn't going to help much. If he has say RF speakers, adding a similar RF midbass speaker from the same line is going to do exactly what he asked. Could there be a better speaker out there for him, sure. However, you really aren't going to know unless you heard his system and my advice likely won't be wasting his money putting a high quality speaker in the middle of a midrange component set or vice-versa. Cross over (including slope) is extremely important as is power handling, placement, etc. Saying "does not matter where you are crossing them" is simply wrong. A speaker that was designed to run at say 100-500hz isn't going to sound very good if you cross it over at 500-5000hz. Running two speakers from different manufactores in the 500-1000hz range on the right side is going to sound as good IMO as running one speaker or likely even as good as two speakers same model. Well I can't say I am an expert, but I have built some monster installs, I have won/placed in several local contests (a few years ago when I competed... never SPL) and I have run the gambit from 10k installs to 1k installs. These are just my opinions from being in the scene from when it really was about sound (mid 90s) and not what rims I have or pimping my ride with a PS3. [/QUOTE]
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