Nah man, read my post again. I said that I was always open to trying new stuff, being around the regulars just made it easier for me.
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well i started smoking before i drank. weed was/is easier to get than alcohol for me...plus id rather smoke than drink cause atleast i have control over myself and it doesnt take as long to reach that high.
Norcalracer283
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4 more years of hell....
You sound like a weak individual. All of my friends who smoke, and there are many of us, have never tried anything beyond weed. I have friends who have tried other shit and done other shit, but thats just cause they made a choice. Same goes for you. You made a choice to try shit, marijunana didnt. Take responsibility for your own actions "My fellow stoner".
Yeah but thismightbepat has a point, Norcal. I agree with you that it is a choice. But I also agree that someone who has tried pot is going to be more curious about other highs as opposed to someone who has tried nothing. Same goes for alcohol.
Personally I havent tried any harder drugs than pot either.
Rainbow Purple looks insane, i'd love to hit that!
Tried any BC Bud lately?
Squeak (even though you may not be here): "Yeah, doing poorly in school and the workplace because 3 days a week you have a loss of comprehension abilities, a diminished ability to learn and poor short term memory isn't such a bad thing"
You sound like a communist! Someone who does badly in school and, worse yet, the workplace, doesnt make much of a contribution to the total production do they. However, since this isnt a communist state, it doesnt really matter if someone chooses to dumb themselves down. If their own work/school life suffers then that is their choice.
Think about this: I choose not to wear my seatbelt. I get in a car crash, severely hurt/thrown from vehicle. Ambulances arrive on the scene, paramedics take me to the hospital. Had I been wearing the seatbelt, lets say I have minor injuries and have to stay for a while. Government pays. Now, since there was no seatbelt, I have to go into surgery and stay much longer. Gov't pays MUCH higher. So perhaps there's a hidden interest in laws like this. The goverment has to pay for it when you hurt yourself, so it's in their best interests to decide what you can and cant do to yourself. If crack addicts somehow made the government money, do you think it would still be illegal to smoke crack? Heck, they'd have gov't funded ads PROMOTING it!
We need to drop the social institutions for a moment and realize that getting high, drinking, or whatever drug you choose are things that you do to your body, and that is ultimately your own choice. Dont forget that alcohol was illegal during prohibition, but its legal now. Has the substance changed? No. Has the govt changed? Yes. Dont decide what is right and wrong based on the law.
Will it be legalized? That is left to be decided. Mabye the gov't will decide that it can make them money. Mabye they'll decide that it wont. I dont think anyone deserves to be punished with the kind of jailtime that people get in the US's retributive justice system in regards to marijuana. What will sending them to jail do? Stop them selling pot? Or label them and effectively re-socialize them as criminals, making them more of a threat coming out than they were going in. If not legalized, perhaps the government should take a look at MJ and decide if it is really that serious. Dont forget you live in a predominantly christian country, and according to them its just bad to do drugs period, since God said so. I mean, how are you going to tell them God might just be wrong there?
Well to conclude this and to link it up to the thread, as far as legalization goes it doesnt really matter. People just need to drop the idea that it is right or wrong to smoke pot, or do anything to your own body that does not directly effect someone else. In the end, the legalization and regulation, or keeping it a criminal act, is all in the interest of money and power over people. Anyone who read wErd's first post of this thread can read into that. This is another reason why smoking pot is a form of social resistance against an oppressive government that works in its own interests. (not saying I blaze to defy the government. I blaze because I enjoy it.)
Im open to suggestions or arguments regarding my standpoint here.
Personally I havent tried any harder drugs than pot either.
Rainbow Purple looks insane, i'd love to hit that!
Tried any BC Bud lately?
Squeak (even though you may not be here): "Yeah, doing poorly in school and the workplace because 3 days a week you have a loss of comprehension abilities, a diminished ability to learn and poor short term memory isn't such a bad thing"
You sound like a communist! Someone who does badly in school and, worse yet, the workplace, doesnt make much of a contribution to the total production do they. However, since this isnt a communist state, it doesnt really matter if someone chooses to dumb themselves down. If their own work/school life suffers then that is their choice.
Think about this: I choose not to wear my seatbelt. I get in a car crash, severely hurt/thrown from vehicle. Ambulances arrive on the scene, paramedics take me to the hospital. Had I been wearing the seatbelt, lets say I have minor injuries and have to stay for a while. Government pays. Now, since there was no seatbelt, I have to go into surgery and stay much longer. Gov't pays MUCH higher. So perhaps there's a hidden interest in laws like this. The goverment has to pay for it when you hurt yourself, so it's in their best interests to decide what you can and cant do to yourself. If crack addicts somehow made the government money, do you think it would still be illegal to smoke crack? Heck, they'd have gov't funded ads PROMOTING it!
We need to drop the social institutions for a moment and realize that getting high, drinking, or whatever drug you choose are things that you do to your body, and that is ultimately your own choice. Dont forget that alcohol was illegal during prohibition, but its legal now. Has the substance changed? No. Has the govt changed? Yes. Dont decide what is right and wrong based on the law.
Will it be legalized? That is left to be decided. Mabye the gov't will decide that it can make them money. Mabye they'll decide that it wont. I dont think anyone deserves to be punished with the kind of jailtime that people get in the US's retributive justice system in regards to marijuana. What will sending them to jail do? Stop them selling pot? Or label them and effectively re-socialize them as criminals, making them more of a threat coming out than they were going in. If not legalized, perhaps the government should take a look at MJ and decide if it is really that serious. Dont forget you live in a predominantly christian country, and according to them its just bad to do drugs period, since God said so. I mean, how are you going to tell them God might just be wrong there?
Well to conclude this and to link it up to the thread, as far as legalization goes it doesnt really matter. People just need to drop the idea that it is right or wrong to smoke pot, or do anything to your own body that does not directly effect someone else. In the end, the legalization and regulation, or keeping it a criminal act, is all in the interest of money and power over people. Anyone who read wErd's first post of this thread can read into that. This is another reason why smoking pot is a form of social resistance against an oppressive government that works in its own interests. (not saying I blaze to defy the government. I blaze because I enjoy it.)
Im open to suggestions or arguments regarding my standpoint here.
I am taking responsibility for my own actions you moron. Not once did I say the weed made me try other stuff, nor was I peer-pressured or any of that nonsense. I was curious about other conscious altering substances, and being around pot allowed me to learn more about other drugs, allowing me to become sort of an experimenter. But in case ya'll still don't understand what I'm saying, here ya go:
ITS MY FAULT, NOT THE MARIJUANA, DURR.....
::sigh::alright thanks, that'll be enough out of me.
ITS MY FAULT, NOT THE MARIJUANA, DURR.....
::sigh::alright thanks, that'll be enough out of me.
Oh and also, to powerslide: Yeah man for the last couple of weeks my boy has been getting gobs and gobs of BC bud and we've been smoking the shit out of it. Great stuff, I wish I'd know what strand it was. I'll make sure and ask him about it next time I run into him.
There was actually a study can't remember if I read it or heard it on the news but it showed that statistics say weed causes college students to do worse in school than their counterparts. Unfortunately I can't remember where I heard or read this so I can't post any links or quotes.
on a side note:
Pot Smoking Damages Lungs
Smoking marijuana may be more dangerous to your lungs than you think.
A study by researchers at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, England, found that even short-term use of marijuana can damage the lungs of young people, BBC News Online reports.
The researchers tested the lungs of nonsmokers, cigarette smokers, and people who smoked marijuana. They found that the lungs of marijuana users had more damage than cigarette smokers' lungs.
The study, presented at a British Thoracic Society meeting, concluded that less than six years of smoking marijuana was enough to cause significant lung damage.
"The consensus among many young people who use cannabis seems to be that they will not suffer any long-term effects as long as they stop smoking it early enough," researcher Dr. Sarah Nuttall told BBC News.
"However this is clearly not the case. Our study shows that even short- term use of cannabis in addition to tobacco use does have an impact and makes a serious difference to lung function," Nuttall said.
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From Henry Ford Health . org
on a side note:
Pot Smoking Damages Lungs
Smoking marijuana may be more dangerous to your lungs than you think.
A study by researchers at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, England, found that even short-term use of marijuana can damage the lungs of young people, BBC News Online reports.
The researchers tested the lungs of nonsmokers, cigarette smokers, and people who smoked marijuana. They found that the lungs of marijuana users had more damage than cigarette smokers' lungs.
The study, presented at a British Thoracic Society meeting, concluded that less than six years of smoking marijuana was enough to cause significant lung damage.
"The consensus among many young people who use cannabis seems to be that they will not suffer any long-term effects as long as they stop smoking it early enough," researcher Dr. Sarah Nuttall told BBC News.
"However this is clearly not the case. Our study shows that even short- term use of cannabis in addition to tobacco use does have an impact and makes a serious difference to lung function," Nuttall said.
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From Henry Ford Health . org
ok, thats fine. So smoking pot can hurt you, alright. To what degree can it harm you is to be debated, but I dont think anyone will argue that inhaling smoke into a lung will do some damage. I think that there is a huge paranoia around drugs that leads to some false information being spread (for example, shrooms cause brain hemorrhages), but this may just be my opinion, as I have not done any official studies myself. I have only read them and can speak to a point from personal experience.
I also dont think anyone will dis-agree with the fact that smoking pot all the time will affect your motivation significantly. I know I've noticed changes when I was smoking more heavily at one point, such as a lack of motivation. But otherwise, when used in moderation, I have not found adverse effects.
If someone goes out drinking on the weekends, that doesnt mean they are going to suffer during the week in whatever they do (well mabye Monday //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. And even if they do, that's their own choice, and they will pay the consequences. However, if someone drinks everyday, you will see dramatic negative effects to health, productivity, etc. But once again, that is their choice. There is help available for people in those situations, but 'you can take a horse to the water but you cant make them drink.'
So alcohol hurts you too. So does smoking cigarettes. Hey, the government lets you do THAT to yourself, even though it causes significant harm, but the government takes a huge cut, and gets huge benefits from tobacco companies. Which links to my point about why some things are illegal to do to your own self and some are not: gov't interests.
I dont know how much more we can continue in this thread, but I'd really like to hear what Squeak has to say here.
I also dont think anyone will dis-agree with the fact that smoking pot all the time will affect your motivation significantly. I know I've noticed changes when I was smoking more heavily at one point, such as a lack of motivation. But otherwise, when used in moderation, I have not found adverse effects.
If someone goes out drinking on the weekends, that doesnt mean they are going to suffer during the week in whatever they do (well mabye Monday //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif. And even if they do, that's their own choice, and they will pay the consequences. However, if someone drinks everyday, you will see dramatic negative effects to health, productivity, etc. But once again, that is their choice. There is help available for people in those situations, but 'you can take a horse to the water but you cant make them drink.'
So alcohol hurts you too. So does smoking cigarettes. Hey, the government lets you do THAT to yourself, even though it causes significant harm, but the government takes a huge cut, and gets huge benefits from tobacco companies. Which links to my point about why some things are illegal to do to your own self and some are not: gov't interests.
I dont know how much more we can continue in this thread, but I'd really like to hear what Squeak has to say here.
Though I continue reading the thread (just cause I'm interested to see where the thread is heading, what conversations are taking place, etc etc), I have taken myself out of the debate //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Pretty much everything I have to say, I have already said. The debate just goes in circles, and we end up back where we began or debating the same subjects over and over again, just using different rhetoric.
And for those who wonder; Don't think I have taken the "holier than thou" stance in this debate. Actually, far from it. Back in Jr High and the first half of High School I was majorly into pot. I'm talking, daily usage, many times more than once per day (especially on weekends). And I haven't been happier since I quit. So, I know what it did to me, I know what it did to those I hung around back then, and I know what it does to some of my friends now.
fair enough!
My only point is there are people out there that claim it isn't bad for you because it is natural.
Unfortunately as this nation becomes more socialist the actions of other will play a larger role in our lives because we'll be the lucky people to pay their way through society. And no I don't hold this against weed alone. The same could be said for alcohol and cigarettes.
Not sure which drugs cause it but there are drugs that do physical damage to the brain (like the creation of holes). Never been that interested to really look into it as I see no need to use mushrooms, weed, LSD, Crack etc.
InhumanAcura
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Its only the safest medicinal drug on planet Earth..
In an extremely "toned-down" manor. Medicidal(sp?) pot isn't the same super high-THC and/or laced stuff being smoked on the street.
Ecstasy does very, very damaging things to the body. Loss of short term memory, loss of comprehension and motor skills, can result in speech problems (studdering, slurring, lisps), etc etc.
**** good time, too....
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