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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dbeez" data-source="post: 8133005" data-attributes="member: 603698"><p>Its a starting point more than a set in stone that's what it needs to be no one can or will be able to say heres thw design this is it best you will get right off the bat I prefer to start large and shrink box and play with tuning to get to where you need to be its a process but since you want to compete yet daily play we have to find that happy medium.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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