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local car shop guy told me i should sell/get rid of my XXX 18?
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<blockquote data-quote="Immacomputer" data-source="post: 3370875" data-attributes="member: 570419"><p>I know you're trying to help but you're really steering him in the wrong direction with this advice. Sealed will NOT always be flatter nor will ported ALWAYS be peaky. This is very much dependent on the sub, the vehicle, and the alignment chosen.</p><p></p><p>You keep telling him to port the sub based on generalizations of the sub or compared to the 05 version. This is a terrible generalization and in this case could really end up sounding terrible.</p><p></p><p>Please take a look at the T/S specs of the 06/07 XXX; this is a VERY different sub than the 05 and was designed completely different; they're not even remotely comparable. The new 18" XXX has a very high Qes value as well as a mid placed Qts. Both of these would really lead towards the sub being sealed. Then, when you couple that with an extremely low Fs and Very high Vas, you should really only plan on sealing this sub. Porting it will lead it to sounding pretty terrible around tuning and peaking higher than tuning and dropping off in either direction in the frequency domain. The efficiency bandwidth product (EBP) is also VERY low for this sub which also screams "SEAL ME" and that it will sound pretty raunchy in a ported alignment.</p><p></p><p>This sub has a theoretical -3dB point of about 21hz in a 9 cube enclosure and is pretty much flat down to about 25hz. Because of it's high xmax, it should also be very loud as it gets down there. I would bet a pretty large sum of money that it would be much louder sealed over a spectrum than the ported enclosure would be. The ported enclosure MAY peak higher on a meter but the sealed will definitely sound louder and drop MUCH lower than the ported counterpart (assuming we're talking about the 9 cube @ 32hz).</p><p></p><p>You may cry all day that it's theoretical and that things will change when you put it in a vehicle and I will agree with you every day. But, the transfer function will still be applied to that system that you have before hand; which basically means that if it's peaky before the transfer function, it will be peaky after cabin gain. Also, while these theoretical values won't come to life exactly as modeled, they do give a great idea of how the sub will function in the possible enclosure.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Shooting for a butterworth alignment for this sub probably wouldn't be a good idea seeing as the high Qes and high Vas will lead it to be around 25+ cubes. The 9 cube alignment is around .94 Qtc or so and yet it still has an F3 around 21hz.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Immacomputer, post: 3370875, member: 570419"] I know you're trying to help but you're really steering him in the wrong direction with this advice. Sealed will NOT always be flatter nor will ported ALWAYS be peaky. This is very much dependent on the sub, the vehicle, and the alignment chosen. You keep telling him to port the sub based on generalizations of the sub or compared to the 05 version. This is a terrible generalization and in this case could really end up sounding terrible. Please take a look at the T/S specs of the 06/07 XXX; this is a VERY different sub than the 05 and was designed completely different; they're not even remotely comparable. The new 18" XXX has a very high Qes value as well as a mid placed Qts. Both of these would really lead towards the sub being sealed. Then, when you couple that with an extremely low Fs and Very high Vas, you should really only plan on sealing this sub. Porting it will lead it to sounding pretty terrible around tuning and peaking higher than tuning and dropping off in either direction in the frequency domain. The efficiency bandwidth product (EBP) is also VERY low for this sub which also screams "SEAL ME" and that it will sound pretty raunchy in a ported alignment. This sub has a theoretical -3dB point of about 21hz in a 9 cube enclosure and is pretty much flat down to about 25hz. Because of it's high xmax, it should also be very loud as it gets down there. I would bet a pretty large sum of money that it would be much louder sealed over a spectrum than the ported enclosure would be. The ported enclosure MAY peak higher on a meter but the sealed will definitely sound louder and drop MUCH lower than the ported counterpart (assuming we're talking about the 9 cube @ 32hz). You may cry all day that it's theoretical and that things will change when you put it in a vehicle and I will agree with you every day. But, the transfer function will still be applied to that system that you have before hand; which basically means that if it's peaky before the transfer function, it will be peaky after cabin gain. Also, while these theoretical values won't come to life exactly as modeled, they do give a great idea of how the sub will function in the possible enclosure. Shooting for a butterworth alignment for this sub probably wouldn't be a good idea seeing as the high Qes and high Vas will lead it to be around 25+ cubes. The 9 cube alignment is around .94 Qtc or so and yet it still has an F3 around 21hz. [/QUOTE]
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