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<blockquote data-quote="hispls" data-source="post: 8405471" data-attributes="member: 614752">So for 500$ you&#039;re not even buying cones!?!&nbsp; Ouch.I prefer standard 12 spoke frames since they and 8&quot; spiders are easiest to find and fairly priced (you sure they&#039;re 7.5 and not 8&quot;?).&nbsp; I&#039;ve used the oddball frames as well and IMO you&#039;re gaining very little for the expense in most applications.&nbsp;&nbsp; A friend of mine up this way was using stock Sundown Zv3 12s and was breaking them playing below tuning so we switched up to Ti frames, big surround cones, and the pink spider pack and they&#039;re surviving now (at the expense of almost a full dB), but simply using a subsonic filter correctly would have got him to the same place and saved him a lot of money.&nbsp; He bumped his re-cone cost from about 60$ to 150$ a pop when he breaks them again plus shelled out the extra change for the new frames.Wish you still had them out because it really looked like you don&#039;t have that much more wiggle room on the down stroke before the coil hits the bottom plate, particularly not if you go with a taller coil.If your goal is whale songs I think DD-Z likely is not the best choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hispls, post: 8405471, member: 614752"] So for 500$ you're not even buying cones!?! Ouch. I prefer standard 12 spoke frames since they and 8" spiders are easiest to find and fairly priced (you sure they're 7.5 and not 8"?). I've used the oddball frames as well and IMO you're gaining very little for the expense in most applications. A friend of mine up this way was using stock Sundown Zv3 12s and was breaking them playing below tuning so we switched up to Ti frames, big surround cones, and the pink spider pack and they're surviving now (at the expense of almost a full dB), but simply using a subsonic filter correctly would have got him to the same place and saved him a lot of money. He bumped his re-cone cost from about 60$ to 150$ a pop when he breaks them again plus shelled out the extra change for the new frames. Wish you still had them out because it really looked like you don't have that much more wiggle room on the down stroke before the coil hits the bottom plate, particularly not if you go with a taller coil. If your goal is whale songs I think DD-Z likely is not the best choice. [/QUOTE]

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