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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jeremyblevins" data-source="post: 7292714" data-attributes="member: 630319"><p>thanks that helps a lot and they didn't remove the battery from the car so i guess it was the crappy version, and my battery is less than a year old so it shouldn't be shot already my battery hasn't died since i bought it so i know it's not my fault. i'll try that trick tomorrow so i can just pull of the terminal then test the voltage differential from the positive terminal to the negative post on the battery?</p></blockquote><p></p>

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