I had the chance to use the DD-1 on an audiopipe, SSL and a hifonics

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

Yesterday 2 guys came over to my house who saw my add on ebay for renting out the DD-1. They were real nice guys. Before one of them came he told me that he had 6 12s in his suburban and sent me his youtube name. I didn't bother looking because I figured he had cheap equipment. And I was right.

So the first car we did. His pioneer HU clipped @ 58/62. He was listening to it at 30. He had the amp gain @ 1/4. It didn't clip until above 1/2. But his "2500" watt SSL amp was sooooo small. My brothers memphis 1000 is the same size.

Well he turned it on to play some music on his 4 hifonics 12s in his jimmy. I wasn't impressed. It was sad. It hit about the same as my friends massive audio 15. But cheap equipment isn't going to give you much of a result. And he was really happy.

So then we did the next guys audiopipe. He had 2 1800 models. Didn't look to see which ones. But his pioneer didn't clip at all. And after a bunch of dicking around because he had so many rca splitters that DD-1 wasn't getting a signal. We finally got it by going back to his 1st rca off the head unit. Well his audiopipe amps clipped very fast. At 1/4 gain or less.

I didn't get to hear his 6 12 hifonics because he wasn't getting signal to the amps anymore. Probably through his maze of rca's.

Then I did my buddies massive audio 15 on a brz 2400. That amp didn't clip almost until the end. But he was clipping his sub HARD before. Because he had the gain all the way up and the bass boost. I told him to never touch the bass boost.

So then he complained that the sub was too quiet. And we rewired his sub from 4 ohms to 1.

But now he complains that his lights dim. But I warned him before he bought everything that, tghat might be a problem. Civics have small alternators. At least he upgraded the front battery to an xs power.

Anyways. The audiopipe and SSL seem like complete garbage.

But it is hard to say since neither of the guys had upgraded electrical. But I would think the best budget amps between those 3 would be the hifonics.

Sound Storm Laboratories SSL-AE125M 2500 Watt Monolock Amplifier

the audio pipe was APSM 1500

The sub he has is a Massive Audio QC15. It's in an undersized box. 2ft3. The is rated for 800RMS. We wired it @ 1 ohm. And with the HU and amp gains set properly. The sub was able to take all of the amp. But that could be do to the box size and the fact that his electrical isn't upgraded.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_23550_Hifonics-Brutus-BRZ2400.1D.html

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[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

nice to know. i know when i clamped my zxi60x4+1k it was really close to rated at 2ohm at 12v so if figured that at 14.4v it would probably be really close. and im about to pick up the dd-1 and clamp my ph4000md

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

nice to know. i know when i clamped my zxi60x4+1k it was really close to rated at 2ohm at 12v so if figured that at 14.4v it would probably be really close. and im about to pick up the dd-1 and clamp my ph4000md

I know a lot of guys on this forum really like audio pipe. But from bench tests they do not do rated power cleanly. But the Hifonics seem to either do rated or get a lot closer than other budget amps.

 

[Team Ampere 10+ year member]

Well thats some good info for people who are budgeting to get a system.

Clipping audiopipe amps at low levels= me not ever looking at buying one

Nick

 

[DoesDad 10+ year member]

I actually am looking for a budget amp that does around 1200 @ 1. I'll be looking a little closer at the Hifonics now. I was looking at AP mainly just for the price difference. But for 40-50 bucks more for a superior amp it's a no brainer. I'd look in the classifieds but I'm so tired of buying used. Want something shiny and new for once.

 

[Dtrom 10+ year member]

Good to know about the cheaper priced amps. I think I shall stick with crescendo.

 

[clickclickw00t 10+ year member]

What was his wiring? OFC? 4 ga or 0/1?

I debated for a while on the Audiopoop for $150 but I ended up dropping $300 on an Audioque 2200D and I think it was well worth the extra money. I get no light dimming at full tilt playing decaf.

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

Well thats some good info for people who are budgeting to get a system.
Clipping audiopipe amps at low levels= me not ever looking at buying one

Nick

What I did was definitely not a bench test or scientific. But after tuning that guys audio pipe, the SSL and then my friends hifonics. The hifonics just seemed like a better choice. Especially since the hifonics at least size wise looked like it made more power. The audiopipe 1800 and the SSL 2500 where A LOT smaller than the BRZ 2400.1

But there are too many variables. I don't the electrical status of any of there systems. The type of wire or the size. The pre volt output of there HU's. The final impedance of there subs.

 

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Good to know about the cheaper priced amps. I think I shall stick with crescendo.

I would agree with that. Crescendo would be the ONLY budget amp I would ever buy.

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

What was his wiring? OFC? 4 ga or 0/1?
I debated for a while on the Audiopoop for $150 but I ended up dropping $300 on an Audioque 2200D and I think it was well worth the extra money. I get no light dimming at full tilt playing decaf.

I have no idea. They were just some guys who came to use my tool.

what kind of vehicle/alternator/batteries d you have and what is the final impedance to your 2200D?

 

[clickclickw00t 10+ year member]

I have no idea. They were just some guys who came to use my tool.what kind of vehicle/alternator/batteries d you have and what is the final impedance to your 2200D?

I have a 2012 Scion TC. stock battery and alternator. KnuKonceptz 0/1 OFC wire from front to back. No Big 3 done yet (still waiting on 0ga wire to do it). At 30/40 volume on my Pioneer P4400BH I get absolutely no light dimming. I do have HID lights so they might not dim that noticeably, but when I turn on my overhead light in the cabin with music playing at full tilt, I don't see any dimming whatsoever.

HDC312 wired to 1 ohm in a 2.5 net box. Sending about 1700W RMS to the sub from the amp. I dont really play at full tilt very often but the last time I did, the housing that holds the back-seat overhead light completely dislodged from the headliner and 2 of the clips that hold it in place were broken. Its definitely loud. I have the volume knob for the 2200D and I start getting very slight clipping around 33/40 volume, with major clipping at 36/40 (depending on the track). At 33/40 my head unit is probably sending a clipped signal, I think the amp/sub can definitely take more, but I have my gains set a little conservatively. I don't do competitions, I just like to have a bass session on the ride to school in the morning to wake me up haha.

 

[clickclickw00t 10+ year member]

also, lol.....

They were just some guys who came to use my tool.w

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

also, lol.....

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they were not impressed

 

[jockhater2 10+ year member]

I have a 2012 Scion TC. stock battery and alternator. KnuKonceptz 0/1 OFC wire from front to back. No Big 3 done yet (still waiting on 0ga wire to do it). At 30/40 volume on my Pioneer P4400BH I get absolutely no light dimming. I do have HID lights so they might not dim that noticeably, but when I turn on my overhead light in the cabin with music playing at full tilt, I don't see any dimming whatsoever.
HDC312 wired to 1 ohm in a 2.5 net box. Sending about 1700W RMS to the sub from the amp. I dont really play at full tilt very often but the last time I did, the housing that holds the back-seat overhead light completely dislodged from the headliner and 2 of the clips that hold it in place were broken. Its definitely loud. I have the volume knob for the 2200D and I start getting very slight clipping around 33/40 volume, with major clipping at 36/40 (depending on the track). At 33/40 my head unit is probably sending a clipped signal, I think the amp/sub can definitely take more, but I have my gains set a little conservatively. I don't do competitions, I just like to have a bass session on the ride to school in the morning to wake me up haha.

No way to really know the RMS unless you clamp it. Sooooooo many variables.

 

[thevic24 5,000+ posts]

I have a BRZ2100.1.

Never got around to testing it at 1 ohm but did with a 2 ohm load.(I actually had 2 of these)

The amp I have here(for sale) gave me just a tad over 1500(1504 to be exact) rms @ 14v using a 45hz tone with a 2.2ohm load/rise.

 

[clickclickw00t 10+ year member]

No way to really know the RMS unless you clamp it. Sooooooo many variables.

I have an appointment with a car audio shop this week to run an O-scope, RTA, and possibly get my trunk deadened. My trunk makes all sorts of crazy noises lol. I also need to build another box and tune it a little lower. Right now I'm tuned at 35hz and I would like to be at 32-33 ideally.