How loud are Hybrid Legatia Pros?

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Yea, will look at the FR graphs on many drivers and you will see them showing a "huge" FR, but that doesn't mean they will perform well. I don't know who Tom is and don't really care, but if he can make something like those two play as well as you're claiming, that's quite a feat. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
The FS on the L1 Pro is 700 hz and the manual states it's recommended min HP pt is 2khz with a fourth order slope. The L8 does fine until 500 hz and then starts to get squiggly and clearly breaks up after 2khz...not to mention that any 8" driver will start to beam at 1.7 khz.

Put all those together and it doesn't make for exactly an "optimal" pair. To recommend it to the level of experience with active systems and the like around here is pretty foolish, IMO. Yes, I've used the L8 in a two-way up front just to see how it would play up to the old L1 and it was horrendus due to the factors I just mentioned. Put the L4 or L3 in there, though, and it's a hell of a set.

Ain't that the truth...

Dave spoke too soon //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

L8-1v2prowhatever combo? i'd rather not listen to Tom's installs then, whoever he is.

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

I was speaking of what Ramos had to say James...thanks though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[bamaster 10+ year member]

The L8 does fine until 500 hz and then starts to get squiggly

Is that a technical term?

Yes, I've used the L8 in a two-way up front just to see how it would play up to the old L1 and it was horrendus due to the factors I just mentioned. Put the L4 or L3 in there, though, and it's a hell of a set.

I really wanted the L8/L3/L1 Pro combo. But the increase in spending by adding a crossover and door build scared me off. Then, I ended up buying an Alpine 9887 anyways. The good news is that I can always trade-in the L6 drivers and upgrade. Live and learn.

This is all good feedback. It'll be a month or so, but I'll report in my review once I have some good listening time with the set.

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

Remember the crossovers are for the Clarus and the L1v2 tweeters.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

U obviously have never heard any of Tom's installs lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Best system I've heard to date had just the L1 and L8

They have HUGE frequency ranges.

Why not use the L4 for the upper end instead of the L1?

I'd rather live with a little attenuation on the top end, then deal with a potential suckout or just general nastiness in the midrange...

 

[PaulD 10+ year member]

The L3 has a very low sensitivity rating and is not very loud if installed in the kicks. The main complaint of the L3 was trying to play them to their "rated" 140 Hz or whatever, the little speaker that is about the size of what's in an average TV just can't handle that kind of low freq at volume.

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

The L3 has a very low sensitivity rating and is not very loud if installed in the kicks. The main complaint of the L3 was trying to play them to their "rated" 140 Hz or whatever, the little speaker that is about the size of what's in an average TV just can't handle that kind of low freq at volume.

what slopes were you using? I will say the L3 is more at home on the dash or in the pillar, but to say it is not loud, what is loud to you?

 

[Innovative:Cory 10+ year member]

The L3 has a very low sensitivity rating and is not very loud if installed in the kicks. The main complaint of the L3 was trying to play them to their "rated" 140 Hz or whatever, the little speaker that is about the size of what's in an average TV just can't handle that kind of low freq at volume.

I know someone running an L4 from 68hz-7khz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[DEdwards 10+ year member]

I know someone running an L4 from 68hz-7khz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

they can't run that low Cory....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif lol

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

I bet they'd get close in these: passdiy.com/pdf/j-low.pdf

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[speedfreak28 10+ year member]

I bet they'd get close in these: passdiy.com/pdf/j-low.pdf
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if only you could squeeze a pair of those enclosures on your dash:crazy:

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I know someone running an L4 from 68hz-7khz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

You mean running them under water because they're on fire? Dear God son...

For the love of all that's good in this world, don't run a 3 or 4" cone driver down to where a sub should play. F those FR charts, that's not your car and it will sound like shiit.

On a different note, I'd vouch for what Jim was saying earlier as the L4 can extend nicely and still sound good off axis.

On an OT, but kind of related, why is Scott obsessed with "full range" anyway? Seems to me he's limiting his market exposure by decreasing the need for some some drivers. I hear all the time how dudes want to run subless with the L8 or tweeterless with the L4. Just find that interesting.

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

Why not use the L4 for the upper end instead of the L1?
I'd rather live with a little attenuation on the top end, then deal with a potential suckout or just general nastiness in the midrange...

True. A lot of people have been doing this, as of late.

And here are the installs Tom has done so far. They sound better then WORDS can describe.

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-build-logs/51708-500-hp-bmw-m3-goes-hybrid-audio.html

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-build-logs/55916-755-whp-turbo-bmw-e46-m3-gets-hybrid-audio-makeover.html

Great installer and Great Guy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Innovative:Cory 10+ year member]

they can't run that low Cory....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif lol

Shhhhhh ancient secret at work //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[PaulD 10+ year member]

what slopes were you using? I will say the L3 is more at home on the dash or in the pillar, but to say it is not loud, what is loud to you?

Some judges like VOLUME. I still have the L3 and L1, maybe I should try a small dash pod some time.

As for Scott's like of wide range drivers, he is trying to do point sources as best as possible - he feels breaking up the frequencies into different drivers in the midrange area doesn't do the music justice, especially when the drivers are seperated by a fair bit of distance.