Ethanol E-85

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

Thoughts?

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[mavster 10+ year member]

Its worthless fuel?

that costs more than a gallon of oil, to convert the starches into ethanol..

also ethanol has reported to have worse fuel economy in the field...

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I think there are better things to do with corn....like eat it

 

[bumpin buick 5,000+ posts]

Its worthless fuel?
that costs more than a gallon of oil, to convert the starches into ethanol in the US..

also ethanol has reported to have worse fuel economy in the US...

False statement, so I corrected it for you.

There are a few countries in south america making E-85 out of sugar cane instead of corn. Sugar cane is much more effecient and affordable. SO the E-85 in america ***** but that does not mean all E-85 *****

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

hydro4000.com extracts hydrogen from water. on the news last night they had a firebird getting 50mpg.....

i see the "flexfuel" or whatever badges on cars for a while now but havent seen any gas stations that have e 85.....seems like a waste if you cant buy it.

 

[truckramrod 10+ year member]

Your car has to be compatible with E-85.

It can dissolve plastics in the fuel system and the computer needs to be reprogrammed due to difference of fuel volume requirements.

Otherwise, it's an alright fuel, GM states that you will get up to a 3% increase in power, but you can have up to a 20% decrease in fuel mileage.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

False statement, so I corrected it for you.
There are a few countries in south america making E-85 out of sugar cane instead of corn. Sugar cane is much more effecient and affordable. SO the E-85 in america ***** but that does not mean all E-85 *****

This is true, Brazil also uses the steam from breaking down the sugar cane to power the factory, very efficient. I've been looking at it, I don't think it's the best but I think it's a lot better than others personally. True you do get worse gas mileage, but it's a way cleaner burning fuel, they rate it at 105 octane, and it's getting cheaper especially now that gas prices are soaring.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

hydro4000.com extracts hydrogen from water. on the news last night they had a firebird getting 50mpg.....
i see the "flexfuel" or whatever badges on cars for a while now but havent seen any gas stations that have e 85.....seems like a waste if you cant buy it.

The majority of the stations are in the midwest, there's about a thousand in the country right now, over half are in Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc... there's only about 10 between LA and San Diego, but because GM is going to be mass producing them by 2012 off the assembly line, the number of gas stations selling E-85 is supposed to double by next year, supposedly...

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

The loss in gas mileage is supposed to be made up by how much cheaper ethanol costs at the pump, right now the only people saving money are in the mid west, but it should get cheaper over time, again supposedly... I honestly would like to see the sugar cane idea tried out up here, seems to be working alright down in brazil. Although the Hydrogen route is also appealing.

 

[bumpin buick 5,000+ posts]

theres like 5 e-85 stations in my town

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

The majority of the stations are in the midwest, there's about a thousand in the country right now, over half are in Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc... there's only about 10 between LA and San Diego, but because GM is going to be mass producing them by 2012 off the assembly line, the number of gas stations selling E-85 is supposed to double by next year, supposedly...

im in the midwest lol i saw one in southern ohio but thats the only one ive seen in our state. im sure there are more i havent noticed but i know for sure none of the gas stations in the areas near me have it.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

im in the midwest lol i saw one in southern ohio but thats the only one ive seen in our state. im sure there are more i havent noticed but i know for sure none of the gas stations in the areas near me have it.

Haha ok maybe a little more west of the mid west, you're more in the middle east //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Jmac 10+ year member]

It should be noted that E85 is not intended as a cost savings measure for the end-user but rather to decrease oil consumption and pollution.

 

[blackbonnie 5,000+ posts]

i got 2 stations in my town and my tuck is e-85 compatiable but i dont use it

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

How much is it in your town?

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

It should be noted that E85 is not intended as a cost savings measure for the end-user but rather to decrease oil consumption and pollution.

That is true.

 

[bumpin buick 5,000+ posts]

2.85 here, it was about 1.99 this time last year

 

[crunktimes.com 5,000+ posts]

Those of you with an E85 station around what are the prices? Last time I was in FL when gas was around $2.20 Ethanol was a few cents more.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

That's no too bad. That;s quite a price jump though.

 

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

From what I've read if the price of Ethanol is 28% less than the cost of regular then you break even, if its any less, then you start saving money. Like in Illinois, a lot of the prices are 38% less than regular unleaded. I'll see if I can find this map that showed me all the prices... Oh and out here Ethanol is about 18-20% lower so it costs a little more, but I think it will get lower as the price of gas goes up imo.