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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 3067770" data-attributes="member: 549629">The &#039;rip off&#039; I refer to personally is the sound deadening mat. During a time when butyl rubber based mats were just coming on the market, Ben was advertising edead as &#039;rubber based&#039; whenh in fact it was the same old asphalt based crap with like 2% more rubber binding agent added. He was also caught stating personally it was butyl rubber based. So people were spending their hard earned cash thinking they were paying for the new, and superior, butyl rubber based mat when they just buying the same old asphalt.Add to that Ben falsely advertised the weight of the matting (an important spec no?) and blamed it on 1) &#039;oh wow, seems our quality control scale is out of calibration, I just noticed!&#039;, and 2) &#039;I cant remember the last time I verified the thickness or weight of the matting, dont blame us blame our suppliers!&#039;, and 3) &#039;oh looks like I accidently did the initial weigh test, for official advertising, with the paper backing still on.... ooops again&#039;. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif So they were purchasing over-inflated aspahlt mat, that they thought was heavier/thicker butyl mat. I call that getting ripped off.An example of Ben skirting around the truth just enough (adding slightly more rubber binder, to fall back on if questioned about wording) to possibly look bad if caught, but not actually get sued. Kinda sounds like the current JL frame situation, no? Some of you guys talk about this stuff like the eD drama was in the past (&quot;happened before I got here&quot;)... its still happeneing to this day.The pre-order thing can be mentioned by plenty of other people who were affected by it personally. I wasn&#039;t.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 3067770, member: 549629"] The 'rip off' I refer to personally is the sound deadening mat. During a time when butyl rubber based mats were just coming on the market, Ben was advertising edead as 'rubber based' whenh in fact it was the same old asphalt based crap with like 2% more rubber binding agent added. He was also caught stating personally it was butyl rubber based. So people were spending their hard earned cash thinking they were paying for the new, and superior, butyl rubber based mat when they just buying the same old asphalt. Add to that Ben falsely advertised the weight of the matting (an important spec no?) and blamed it on 1) 'oh wow, seems our quality control scale is out of calibration, I just noticed!', and 2) 'I cant remember the last time I verified the thickness or weight of the matting, dont blame us blame our suppliers!', and 3) 'oh looks like I accidently did the initial weigh test, for official advertising, with the paper backing still on.... ooops again'. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif[/IMG] So they were purchasing over-inflated aspahlt mat, that they thought was heavier/thicker butyl mat. I call that getting ripped off. An example of Ben skirting around the truth just enough (adding slightly more rubber binder, to fall back on if questioned about wording) to possibly look bad if caught, but not actually get sued. Kinda sounds like the current JL frame situation, no? Some of you guys talk about this stuff like the eD drama was in the past ("happened before I got here")... its still happeneing to this day. The pre-order thing can be mentioned by plenty of other people who were affected by it personally. I wasn't. [/QUOTE]

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