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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Our "Creator" is our parents, primarily our mother.

Unless you just appeared out of nowhere, as a baby in a crib?

If the rights come from my creator, then my creators' rights came from their creator, and so on ad infinitum.
In other words, they are INNATE. We are born with them. Pretty much as has been posited in the written word for 3,700+ years.

I know you are right, and everyone else is wrong.
Can you share your peer-reviewed research, analysis, and conclusion on human rights?

I'd be very interested in reading it.

It's generally accepted that "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence is a reference to God.

And what is continually referencing peer-reviewed research? That was a cool buzz phrase during Covid but clearly doesn't apply to this conversation.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

We're so fucked:

Robot with human brain tissue learns how to use arms

Brain-on-chip exhibited basic human intelligence, researchers say

www.the-independent.com

What they're gonna do to us with ai and robotics is so bad

I hope that's fake.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The kiddo just got back and he asked me, "Did you reply to that moron?"

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

- my 12 year old was able to answer this. It's called the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. After answering the question, he commented "that's a stupid question!" You can't make this shyt up!

You might want to send your 12 y.o. to a better school.

The first Amendment prevents the government from forcing a religion on you, and prevents it from establishing a religion. Nothing in there gives you a right to believe (or not believe) in ANY religion.

The COTUS 9and the government) doesn't GIVE us rights, it PROTECTS our rights.
if it did, then people did not HAVE rights until governments existed. WRONG.


Tell your 12 y.o. to read this, and then ask your 12 y.o. what the word "protect" means, versus the word "gives".
Then, ask them to explain the difference to YOU.

The Bill of Rights: What Does it Say?

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The Bill of Rights is the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. It spells out Americans’ rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion. It sets rules for due process of law and reserves all powers not delegated to the Federal Government to the people or the States. And it specifies that “the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The First Amendment provides several rights protections: to express ideas through speech and the press, to assemble or gather with a group to protest or for other reasons, and to ask the government to fix problems. It also protects the right to religious beliefs and practices. It prevents the government from creating or favoring a religion.
The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms.
The Fifth Amendment provides several protections for people accused of crimes. It states that serious criminal charges must be started by a grand jury. A person cannot be tried twice for the same offense (double jeopardy) or have property taken away without just compensation. People have the right against self-incrimination and cannot be imprisoned without due process of law (fair procedures and trials).

The Ninth Amendment states that listing specific rights in the Constitution does not mean that people do not have other rights that have not been spelled out.
Hmmmm, if it's the government that gives us our rights, where are they all enumerated?
Please point me in the direction of that special list.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Trump needs to stop letting Putin jerk him around. NATO wants to slowly bleed Russia dry and Putin & Zelensky seem to be fine with that arrangement as well. As unfortunate as that is, I don't see an solution.

Trump invited war criminal to the US.
What will TACO do when the war criminal gets here?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The kiddo just got back and he asked me, "Did you reply to that moron?"

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Did heread the COTUS yet?
What was his answer regarding "protect" versus "give"?

Does your kid know of the Cyrus Cylinder or Hammurabi yet?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's generally accepted that "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence is a reference to God.

So Atheists do not exist because they were not created by a god?
Or do they not have rights because they were not created by a god?

And what is continually referencing peer-reviewed research? That was a cool buzz phrase during Covid but clearly doesn't apply to this conversation.

The peer-review is done in all fields, not just medicine, and it's done very regularly.
It allows for experts to review the work and confirm veracity, verifiability, repeatability, etc, etc.

In the case of your claim that we do not have innate rights, you would do a dissertation expressing your belief, then provide support above and beyond "becasue I believe so". Experts in the field would then review and concur (changing a whole shit-ton about what we now know), or they would deny you, and be able to explain why.

Your thesis flies in the face of what has been accepted as truth for over 3,700 years. Claiming it is incorrect with your only supporting statement being "because I said so" does not really fly.
Do you think a peer review of your claims and your support of them would withstand a peer review by experts in the field?

Here's an example of a peer-reviewed thesis for philosophy:

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10024&context=etd

Here's an example that talks about how a dissertation on cold fusion went under peer review. If the authors were correct, science as we knew it would have changed dramatically.
The peer review determined cold fusion was not a reality due to major flaws in calculations.

So, if you want to posit that himans do not have innate rights (contradictory to what we have accetped as fact for 3,700+ years), then you have to prove so. And have your proof accepted by experts.
We're not going to change 3,700+ years of accetped fact simply becasue you say so, and because your son hasn't learned that our Constitution protects rights, as opposed to provides rights.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You might want to send your 12 y.o. to a better school.

The first Amendment prevents the government from forcing a religion on you, and prevents it from establishing a religion. Nothing in there gives you a right to believe (or not believe) in ANY religion.

The COTUS 9and the government) doesn't GIVE us rights, it PROTECTS our rights.
if it did, then people did not HAVE rights until governments existed. WRONG.


Tell your 12 y.o. to read this, and then ask your 12 y.o. what the word "protect" means, versus the word "gives".
Then, ask them to explain the difference to YOU.

The Bill of Rights: What Does it Say?

Español Accordion [accordion classes="" id="59774" expand_first="true"][/accordion] Back to Main Page How Did it Happen?

www.archives.gov

The Bill of Rights is the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. It spells out Americans’ rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion. It sets rules for due process of law and reserves all powers not delegated to the Federal Government to the people or the States. And it specifies that “the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The First Amendment provides several rights protections: to express ideas through speech and the press, to assemble or gather with a group to protest or for other reasons, and to ask the government to fix problems. It also protects the right to religious beliefs and practices. It prevents the government from creating or favoring a religion.
The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms.
The Fifth Amendment provides several protections for people accused of crimes. It states that serious criminal charges must be started by a grand jury. A person cannot be tried twice for the same offense (double jeopardy) or have property taken away without just compensation. People have the right against self-incrimination and cannot be imprisoned without due process of law (fair procedures and trials).

The Ninth Amendment states that listing specific rights in the Constitution does not mean that people do not have other rights that have not been spelled out.
Hmmmm, if it's the government that gives us our rights, where are they all enumerated?
Please point me in the direction of that special list.

The 1st Amendment is universally accepted as "freedom of religion," but the almighty Rob says it isn't so. Keep posting Rob.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Trump invited war criminal to the US.
What will TACO do when the war criminal gets here?

I'm curious about that too. Still curious about how any of his tariffs went into effect given that he always chickens out? Maybe TACO isn't meant literally.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Did heread the COTUS yet?
What was his answer regarding "protect" versus "give"?

Does your kid know of the Cyrus Cylinder or Hammurabi yet?

He'd probably find it hilarious that your evidence that rights don't come from the gov't is to keep citing legal documents (or the Creator).

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

For what?
lemme guess, I created the idea that kids can't coach kids rec sports in order to make you look stupid?

You must have.

That you can't carry a gun legally.

I carry a gun legally which means you are 100% wrong.

Cool. Then make and sell a silencer to me, or anyone else.
Since you "know better", it'll be no problem.

Make yourself one. For whatever reason, you came up with the idea.

Hmmm, which of your multiple personalities posted this?
Or did you leave the browser open, and another inmate did it?

You can stop the inmate shit and the felon shit.

Got lost in the discussion, did you?
It was about you saying people can't tell others what to do here, then you immediately telling someone what to do.
No one brought up listening except you, just now.

Another failed attempt to deflect.


Stop deflecting.

Nothing to do with deflecting. How about you stop ignoring.

Prove your theory that the genitals determine brain function.
Tell us all whether that human born with no genitals has a female brain or a male brain.

It's YOUR damn theory. You are the one who keeps saying this dumb shit. XX you are male XY you are a female.

The word "you" was THAT confusing?
Shit. If that concept is too difficult, there is no help.

you - used to refer to the person or people that the speaker is addressing
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You were addressing people in general and that is how your question is worded. If you wanted to address me specifically you would add my screen name after the word felon or you.

Just like this:

As a Felon ThxOne, are you allowed to own a firearm?
or
As a Felon, are you, Thxone, allowed to own a firearm?
In the second instance "are you" is not needed and can be removed leaving you with the first example.
Speaking to someone directly is not a difficult concept for most people Rob. You appear to be an exception.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So Atheists do not exist because they were not created by a god?
Or do they not have rights because they were not created by a god?

Nice try. Where do you come up with these ridiculous positions?

The peer-review is done in all fields, not just medicine, and it's done very regularly.
It allows for experts to review the work and confirm veracity, verifiability, repeatability, etc, etc.

How did the repeat "Rights of Men?"

In the case of your claim that we do not have innate rights, you would do a dissertation expressing your belief, then provide support above and beyond "becasue I believe so". Experts in the field would then review and concur (changing a whole shit-ton about what we now know), or they would deny you, and be able to explain why.

LOL. But Rights are innate because Thomas Paine believes they are???

Your thesis flies in the face of what has been accepted as truth for over 3,700 years. Claiming it is incorrect with your only supporting statement being "because I said so" does not really fly.
Do you think a peer review of your claims and your support of them would withstand a peer review by experts in the field?

Here's an example of a peer-reviewed thesis for philosophy:

https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10024&context=etd

Here's an example that talks about how a dissertation on cold fusion went under peer review. If the authors were correct, science as we knew it would have changed dramatically.
The peer review determined cold fusion was not a reality due to major flaws in calculations.

So, if you want to posit that himans do not have innate rights (contradictory to what we have accetped as fact for 3,700+ years), then you have to prove so. And have your proof accepted by experts.
We're not going to change 3,700+ years of accetped fact simply becasue you say so, and because your son hasn't learned that our Constitution protects rights, as opposed to provides rights.

Only a true fool is unable see where rights do actually come from.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I carry a gun legally which means you are 100% wrong.

Does not compute, does not compute.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Does not compute, does not compute.
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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Trump needs to stop letting Putin jerk him around. NATO wants to slowly bleed Russia dry and Putin & Zelensky seem to be fine with that arrangement as well. As unfortunate as that is, I don't see a solution.

The solution is (for evil that runs early) is to wipe us out with AI. Less humans, less problems on earth they say. The world will be greener they say...