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<blockquote data-quote="Jandry" data-source="post: 8345929" data-attributes="member: 664430"><p>New to the forums in terms of posting, but ive learned a lot here over the last few weeks reading as much as possible. I have researched so much, read so many conflicting accounts of various speakers, etc etc that im starting to get frustrated. I understand the subjectivity involved, but could use a push in the right direction to narrow the field //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif</p><p></p><p>I am pretty broke in college right now, but I have begun to put some money away for a system in my truck (2002 Ford Ranger ext cab). My initial system ideas are pretty modest:</p><p></p><p>HU: Pioneer DEH-80PRS (for TA and going active)</p><p></p><p>Amp: Alpine PDR-F50 (85wrms x4 @ 4ohm; 250wrms bridged 4 ohm stable)</p><p></p><p>Speakers: ?? (Only going for front stage- doubt ill try rear fill)</p><p></p><p>Sub: Pioneer TSSWX2502 (10" downfiring compact 100-300wrms) [this is a small pickup and I want to keep usable space- if another compact sub will fit in that enclosure, ill buy the enclosure separate and install it- .35c.ft fyi.)</p><p></p><p>As I am an electrician by trade, I have no issue setting this all up myself and wont have any labor costs.</p><p></p><p>Initially I will be driving the sub with the "rear" channels of the amp bridged; I figure 250 wrms (or thereabouts- I will use an oscope to ensure I dont push it into clipping) should give me decent bass considering the sub would be right behind my seat. Eventually, I will buy a mono amp and move on to my ultimate goal: active.</p><p></p><p>The speakers have been the hardest part to settle on. If I had my preference, I would go with a solid coaxial or components that can be mounted as coaxial- this is a stealth install. Heres what im looking for in a speaker:</p><p></p><p>1) Midbass (80-500hz)</p><p></p><p>2) Clean midrange and soft tweeters (silk preferably?)</p><p></p><p>3) More midbass <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>Music with a nasty raspy distorted electric guitar gets my blood flowing. From what I've read, a speaker with great 80-500hz will give me this (and of course dynamatting and sealing the door which I will do thoroughly). I am currently looking at the following: HAT Imagine 6.5, JL Audio C3 650x. I really dont want to have tweeters visible, but I've considering breaking that rule to get the JBL P660c. I do want a speaker where the passive crossovers arent horrific- it might take me a while to get the mono amp. This is one thing that makes me hesitate about the Imagines- I read that the crossover ***** until you go active.</p><p></p><p>Eventually, I will wire the tweeters and woofers through the PDR-F50 and the sub off a mono amp (PDR-M50 probably) all controlled by the DEH-80PRS running active. I understand the various crossover ranges, etc. Anyways, ill ask you these questions:</p><p></p><p>1) Any other speakers with solid mids and highs while having killer midbass? Preferably coaxial but I'm open to considering components. I know they sound better... Maybe give me a coax and comp suggestion?</p><p></p><p>2) While I understand it depends quite a bit on speaker sensitivity, how many watts should I have in my front stage vs my sub stage? Im thinking I should run about 75wmrs speakers in the front stage to match the 250wrms-300wrms in my sub stage. I dont want to overpower with the mids, though im not a basshead either.</p><p></p><p>3) Ive seen nice speakers that are in the 100wrms and higher range, but I shy away from them because I figure ill either not have enough amp to get good sound out of them, or (in the case of the P660c's since theyre 2 ohm) that ill overpower my sub to where I lose balance.</p><p></p><p>Music: heavy metal (old school Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Iced Earth, etc), rock, trance, classic rock, classical (especially anything with a cello). Country and oldies every so often.. I dont listen to music ear-destroyingly loud- every so often I like it just below that though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif</p><p></p><p>Budget on speakers: $2-- to $400? Im not even sure I can do $400, but ill take a look at them. Give me a list of ones you think would fit my truck/amp/music/budget, and ill find a store that has what you recommend and listen myself. Ive never dealt with audio, so all of the above is what I've gathered online- im open to any advice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jandry, post: 8345929, member: 664430"] New to the forums in terms of posting, but ive learned a lot here over the last few weeks reading as much as possible. I have researched so much, read so many conflicting accounts of various speakers, etc etc that im starting to get frustrated. I understand the subjectivity involved, but could use a push in the right direction to narrow the field [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/IMG] I am pretty broke in college right now, but I have begun to put some money away for a system in my truck (2002 Ford Ranger ext cab). My initial system ideas are pretty modest: HU: Pioneer DEH-80PRS (for TA and going active) Amp: Alpine PDR-F50 (85wrms x4 @ 4ohm; 250wrms bridged 4 ohm stable) Speakers: ?? (Only going for front stage- doubt ill try rear fill) Sub: Pioneer TSSWX2502 (10" downfiring compact 100-300wrms) [this is a small pickup and I want to keep usable space- if another compact sub will fit in that enclosure, ill buy the enclosure separate and install it- .35c.ft fyi.) As I am an electrician by trade, I have no issue setting this all up myself and wont have any labor costs. Initially I will be driving the sub with the "rear" channels of the amp bridged; I figure 250 wrms (or thereabouts- I will use an oscope to ensure I dont push it into clipping) should give me decent bass considering the sub would be right behind my seat. Eventually, I will buy a mono amp and move on to my ultimate goal: active. The speakers have been the hardest part to settle on. If I had my preference, I would go with a solid coaxial or components that can be mounted as coaxial- this is a stealth install. Heres what im looking for in a speaker: 1) Midbass (80-500hz) 2) Clean midrange and soft tweeters (silk preferably?) 3) More midbass :P Music with a nasty raspy distorted electric guitar gets my blood flowing. From what I've read, a speaker with great 80-500hz will give me this (and of course dynamatting and sealing the door which I will do thoroughly). I am currently looking at the following: HAT Imagine 6.5, JL Audio C3 650x. I really dont want to have tweeters visible, but I've considering breaking that rule to get the JBL P660c. I do want a speaker where the passive crossovers arent horrific- it might take me a while to get the mono amp. This is one thing that makes me hesitate about the Imagines- I read that the crossover ***** until you go active. Eventually, I will wire the tweeters and woofers through the PDR-F50 and the sub off a mono amp (PDR-M50 probably) all controlled by the DEH-80PRS running active. I understand the various crossover ranges, etc. Anyways, ill ask you these questions: 1) Any other speakers with solid mids and highs while having killer midbass? Preferably coaxial but I'm open to considering components. I know they sound better... Maybe give me a coax and comp suggestion? 2) While I understand it depends quite a bit on speaker sensitivity, how many watts should I have in my front stage vs my sub stage? Im thinking I should run about 75wmrs speakers in the front stage to match the 250wrms-300wrms in my sub stage. I dont want to overpower with the mids, though im not a basshead either. 3) Ive seen nice speakers that are in the 100wrms and higher range, but I shy away from them because I figure ill either not have enough amp to get good sound out of them, or (in the case of the P660c's since theyre 2 ohm) that ill overpower my sub to where I lose balance. Music: heavy metal (old school Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Iced Earth, etc), rock, trance, classic rock, classical (especially anything with a cello). Country and oldies every so often.. I dont listen to music ear-destroyingly loud- every so often I like it just below that though [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/IMG] Budget on speakers: $2-- to $400? Im not even sure I can do $400, but ill take a look at them. Give me a list of ones you think would fit my truck/amp/music/budget, and ill find a store that has what you recommend and listen myself. Ive never dealt with audio, so all of the above is what I've gathered online- im open to any advice. [/QUOTE]
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