yes vancouver is probably the most expensive place to live in all of canada. and like iv said again and again, i am small time plus i rent my land rent my equipment and my storage, then there is fuel cost, seed cost, fertilizer cost. ect. and this was probably the worst year for farming in the last 40 years. 60k up here is a hell of a good living and probably all across the states to. aslo like i said there are farmers up here in my very same town making millions every year off farming. next season hoping on a good year should get me 1.5 to 2 X my profit seeing as how i only got half a crop this year. so spider you must be pretty embarrassed if you wont even say what you do for a living expecially if someone makes 60k a year working at mcdonalds. so what did you make?