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[BMW E34] Newbie needs advice on SQ setup
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<blockquote data-quote="Heinemans" data-source="post: 8246799" data-attributes="member: 660388"><p>None of you have any ideas on my thoughts? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif</p><p></p><p>If my post was incomplete on anything then please let me know. I'm totally new to this so I may have forgotten some important information...</p><p></p><p>A well, I did have some time to read around the forum in the meantime. I've also been to a car audio store which did have some nice demo setups.</p><p></p><p>I will post my finds below.</p><p></p><p><strong>The components</strong></p><p></p><p>First of all, I have a better overview of the needed components, what is available and what I think (was told) I need.</p><p></p><p>The front and back stage</p><p></p><p>I have listened to some different brands, and I must say, even I hear the difference between a 300 euro component system versus a 2000 euro component system. Okay, this might be due to the salesman who, ofcourse, was trying to sell me the 2000 euro one</p><p>//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif.</p><p>The speakers, or say brand, I liked most was Focal, in particular the Utopia range. These were however a bit over-budget. I mean, a complete set was like 5000 euro's, a bit to much for my first "real" car audio installation<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />:.</p><p> </p><p>I was adviced to go for the following:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Focal Expert PS 165 F3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Focal Expert PS 165 FX</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Focal FPS 4160</li> </ul><p></p><p>As a second option the salesman offered me the Power K2 range from Focal. The better soundquality (to my ears) did however not justify the increase in price.</p><p>The bass</p><p></p><p>Here I also listened to some demo models. I must say, I liked the sound of the smaller subs,</p><p> </p><p>The following was adviced:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Focal 27KX</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Focal FPS 1500</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe the above is a bit to much "brand oriented", which may be because the car audio store was a Focal dealer, but I must say I did like the sound of the suggested sets.</p><p></p><p>The price of the Focal products may be a little steep, because I also listened to products from Rainbow Audio, which I also liked and were a lot cheaper.</p><p></p><p>The point is, I'm completely dependent on others, and what they make me listen to. Ofcourse I can hear the difference between different sets, and which I like and which I don't.</p><p></p><p>I don't think the sales people in the stores are completely objective, they always will try to sell me products with a greater margin.</p><p></p><p>This is were your advice comes in, and is well appreciated.</p><p></p><p><strong>Speaker orientation</strong></p><p></p><p>Second point is the orientation of the stock speakre locations.</p><p></p><p>I've read that footwell speakers are well located for the human ear. Has to do with the vertical vs horizontal hearing spectrum of the human ear.</p><p></p><p>The tweeters will be located in the A-pillars, and will be directed towards to listener.</p><p></p><p>The mids will be located on top of the dash and will reflect their sound from the front windshield towards the listeners.</p><p></p><p>In the rear the mids and tweeters will be aimed mostly up, against the rear windshield, pointed a little bit towards the listeners.</p><p></p><p>The sub will be placed face/cone towards the cabin trough the ski-hole in a sealed enclousure.</p><p></p><p>I've also made some new pictures which are a little more clear.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RqPp7qUf7g0/UydyTfsaJLI/AAAAAAAAD54/tJalpDdpmyI/s800/DSC_0078.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m3qi0bww9gc/Uydx2WkP4qI/AAAAAAAAD5g/NdfcebMBlzM/s800/DSC_0062.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gr2b-SnyBTA/UydxsoH2kkI/AAAAAAAAD5Y/_HGI8hqS960/s800/DSC_0063.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PNI9jNY4CL0/UydyFOQpEJI/AAAAAAAAD5w/aG7KyurV8QY/s800/DSC_0070.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TSJfhL2N_FE/UydxYzX1jZI/AAAAAAAAD5A/dZ_LymuUVpM/s800/DSC_0075.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><strong>The (new/added) question(s)</strong></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What do you think of the chosen components? (3 way front stage/2 way rear stage/1 small sub (sealed))<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What do you think of the suggested components by the salesman. (the Focal products)<br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What do you think of the layout of the speaker system? (orientation, etc.)<br /> </li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>Again I will thank you guys for reading, and I really hope I will get some response to this post from the experts, were I'm sure of there are enough from on here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Heinemans, post: 8246799, member: 660388"] None of you have any ideas on my thoughts? [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif[/IMG] If my post was incomplete on anything then please let me know. I'm totally new to this so I may have forgotten some important information... A well, I did have some time to read around the forum in the meantime. I've also been to a car audio store which did have some nice demo setups. I will post my finds below. [B]The components[/B] First of all, I have a better overview of the needed components, what is available and what I think (was told) I need. The front and back stage I have listened to some different brands, and I must say, even I hear the difference between a 300 euro component system versus a 2000 euro component system. Okay, this might be due to the salesman who, ofcourse, was trying to sell me the 2000 euro one [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif[/IMG]. The speakers, or say brand, I liked most was Focal, in particular the Utopia range. These were however a bit over-budget. I mean, a complete set was like 5000 euro's, a bit to much for my first "real" car audio installation:p:. I was adviced to go for the following: [LIST] [*]Focal Expert PS 165 F3 [*]Focal Expert PS 165 FX [*]Focal FPS 4160 [/LIST] As a second option the salesman offered me the Power K2 range from Focal. The better soundquality (to my ears) did however not justify the increase in price. The bass Here I also listened to some demo models. I must say, I liked the sound of the smaller subs, The following was adviced: [LIST] [*]Focal 27KX [*]Focal FPS 1500 [/LIST] Maybe the above is a bit to much "brand oriented", which may be because the car audio store was a Focal dealer, but I must say I did like the sound of the suggested sets. The price of the Focal products may be a little steep, because I also listened to products from Rainbow Audio, which I also liked and were a lot cheaper. The point is, I'm completely dependent on others, and what they make me listen to. Ofcourse I can hear the difference between different sets, and which I like and which I don't. I don't think the sales people in the stores are completely objective, they always will try to sell me products with a greater margin. This is were your advice comes in, and is well appreciated. [B]Speaker orientation[/B] Second point is the orientation of the stock speakre locations. I've read that footwell speakers are well located for the human ear. Has to do with the vertical vs horizontal hearing spectrum of the human ear. The tweeters will be located in the A-pillars, and will be directed towards to listener. The mids will be located on top of the dash and will reflect their sound from the front windshield towards the listeners. In the rear the mids and tweeters will be aimed mostly up, against the rear windshield, pointed a little bit towards the listeners. The sub will be placed face/cone towards the cabin trough the ski-hole in a sealed enclousure. I've also made some new pictures which are a little more clear. [IMG]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RqPp7qUf7g0/UydyTfsaJLI/AAAAAAAAD54/tJalpDdpmyI/s800/DSC_0078.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m3qi0bww9gc/Uydx2WkP4qI/AAAAAAAAD5g/NdfcebMBlzM/s800/DSC_0062.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gr2b-SnyBTA/UydxsoH2kkI/AAAAAAAAD5Y/_HGI8hqS960/s800/DSC_0063.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-PNI9jNY4CL0/UydyFOQpEJI/AAAAAAAAD5w/aG7KyurV8QY/s800/DSC_0070.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TSJfhL2N_FE/UydxYzX1jZI/AAAAAAAAD5A/dZ_LymuUVpM/s800/DSC_0075.JPG[/IMG] [B]The (new/added) question(s)[/B] [LIST] [*]What do you think of the chosen components? (3 way front stage/2 way rear stage/1 small sub (sealed)) [*]What do you think of the suggested components by the salesman. (the Focal products) [*]What do you think of the layout of the speaker system? (orientation, etc.) [/LIST] Again I will thank you guys for reading, and I really hope I will get some response to this post from the experts, were I'm sure of there are enough from on here. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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