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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 647447" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>When I said to study up on maximizing install for the loudest setup, I was referring to the fact that install will dictate your overall output much more than the driver you pick, assuming you pick one of the many capable drivers out there.</p><p></p><p>For example, a DD 9510 in a poor install could yield you maybe 135db's (for example). In the right hands, it could be much more, as Nate Munsun showed by hitting a 169.7 with a single 9510. Sure that's a nice commercial for DD 9500 series drivers, but clearly the install is the key element in getting loud.</p><p></p><p>Things an SPL competitor would key in on would be the vehicle's resonant frequency, found by measuring with an rta or simple db level meter, and tune accordingly. They would try to maximize speaker displacement, while minimizing air to displace (small cabin). They would brace the crap out of everything to keep the subs compressing air, not popping out glass and body panels. And of course there are a thousand other tricks the SPL guys know and do to gain those fractions of a db.</p><p></p><p>Asking people on the net which sub gets the loudest isn't going to get you much more than bickering and some one time situations like Nate Munsun hitting almost 170 with a single DD sub, doesn't mean you or I can do it, or that its a function of the subwoofer, mainly the install. But if you have decided your intent is to 'be loud', then asking questions like 'how do you SPL guys do it' or digging into some of the install topics will yield much better results.</p><p></p><p>edit: I forgot to mention, there are always give and takes. You asked how to maximize your install to acheive best performance. As others have said here, you have to decide what 'best performance' means. If it meant loudest, things as I said above would be the direction you would head. If it were accurate sound reproduction, another route (and subwoofer) would be chosen. In my example with Nate Munsun, most SPL nuts would consider that like the ultimate setup. But while that setup got very very loud, it sounded very very bad. Decide your goals for the system, then chose the components and design the install accordingly.</p><p></p><p>I hope this answers your question about what I meant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 647447, member: 549629"] When I said to study up on maximizing install for the loudest setup, I was referring to the fact that install will dictate your overall output much more than the driver you pick, assuming you pick one of the many capable drivers out there. For example, a DD 9510 in a poor install could yield you maybe 135db's (for example). In the right hands, it could be much more, as Nate Munsun showed by hitting a 169.7 with a single 9510. Sure that's a nice commercial for DD 9500 series drivers, but clearly the install is the key element in getting loud. Things an SPL competitor would key in on would be the vehicle's resonant frequency, found by measuring with an rta or simple db level meter, and tune accordingly. They would try to maximize speaker displacement, while minimizing air to displace (small cabin). They would brace the crap out of everything to keep the subs compressing air, not popping out glass and body panels. And of course there are a thousand other tricks the SPL guys know and do to gain those fractions of a db. Asking people on the net which sub gets the loudest isn't going to get you much more than bickering and some one time situations like Nate Munsun hitting almost 170 with a single DD sub, doesn't mean you or I can do it, or that its a function of the subwoofer, mainly the install. But if you have decided your intent is to 'be loud', then asking questions like 'how do you SPL guys do it' or digging into some of the install topics will yield much better results. edit: I forgot to mention, there are always give and takes. You asked how to maximize your install to acheive best performance. As others have said here, you have to decide what 'best performance' means. If it meant loudest, things as I said above would be the direction you would head. If it were accurate sound reproduction, another route (and subwoofer) would be chosen. In my example with Nate Munsun, most SPL nuts would consider that like the ultimate setup. But while that setup got very very loud, it sounded very very bad. Decide your goals for the system, then chose the components and design the install accordingly. I hope this answers your question about what I meant. [/QUOTE]
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