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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 2445719" data-attributes="member: 549629">That&#039;s why it makes no sense to compare completely different brand and model subs. The point Id made thru the entire thread was when looking at one line of subs, the Fs dropped as cone size went up. THAT is the situation I was speaking about. Yes I understand the compliance issue now, but I didnt then. Are you even gonna get that point?And if you now admit I didnt say they had the same parts, why did you say: &quot;Now you say you never said they had the same parts in those cases.&quot; Again with the &#039;changing your story&#039; crap that simply isn&#039;t true.Right, so lets never speak of raw driver or enclosure perameters again. We&#039;ll simply refer to ibanender&#039;s vast knowledge base to guide us, that&#039;s all that matters. For someone preaching science, you sure have a hit or miss way of applying it.And I never said mocking programs were accurate. Where have I even mentioned using such programs in this thread? I haven&#039;t, you&#039;re grasping again. YOU brought up mocking programs when you accused me of being guided by them alone. Just another one of your assumptions gone wrong...First off, I dont have to prove those things to you. This is why you&#039;ve not seen me try. Second, yet another great gem of knowledge from you. Yes, I know nothing at car audio. Brilliant deduction. Ive been installing audio systems in cars since the late 80&#039;s, and formal training in the 90&#039;s, but Ive never added weights to the spiders on subs to see the reaction to Fs so aparently I have &#039;no real world experience&#039;, Ive &#039;never built anything or tested it&#039;, and Ive &#039;only really spent time mocking up graphs&#039;. Have I missed any assumptions you&#039;ve made about me with zero info to back them up? Probably. YOU expect proof? The only proof I see is that you are a lousy guesser. Do I ever expect you to acknowledge that? Of course not. So telling me you don&#039;t, doesn&#039;t really bother me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gifYou are a real piece of work. Ive admitted I didnt understand, Ive admitted you have taught me stuff here, yet you continue on with this &#039;unwilling to learn&#039; crap. Just another lame attempt to place me in a negative light. Or, are you gonna quote me saying I have disregarded your reasoning? No, you wont, because you can&#039;t, because I haven&#039;t.Ive had a person or two try to relate what Ive been saying and my perspective on the conversation to you as well. I guess you&#039;ve chosen to &quot;ignore&quot; them, as you are accusing me of? Im not unwilling to learn, or admit when Im wrong. Ive done both in this thread. The unwillingness here is on your part, to let things go. Aparently me stating Im no expert and learning here isn&#039;t good enough for you. Too bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 2445719, member: 549629"] That's why it makes no sense to compare completely different brand and model subs. The point Id made thru the entire thread was when looking at one line of subs, the Fs dropped as cone size went up. THAT is the situation I was speaking about. Yes I understand the compliance issue now, but I didnt then. Are you even gonna get that point? And if you now admit I didnt say they had the same parts, why did you say: "Now you say you never said they had the same parts in those cases." Again with the 'changing your story' crap that simply isn't true. Right, so lets never speak of raw driver or enclosure perameters again. We'll simply refer to ibanender's vast knowledge base to guide us, that's all that matters. For someone preaching science, you sure have a hit or miss way of applying it. And I never said mocking programs were accurate. Where have I even mentioned using such programs in this thread? I haven't, you're grasping again. YOU brought up mocking programs when you accused me of being guided by them alone. Just another one of your assumptions gone wrong... First off, I dont have to prove those things to you. This is why you've not seen me try. Second, yet another great gem of knowledge from you. Yes, I know nothing at car audio. Brilliant deduction. Ive been installing audio systems in cars since the late 80's, and formal training in the 90's, but Ive never added weights to the spiders on subs to see the reaction to Fs so aparently I have 'no real world experience', Ive 'never built anything or tested it', and Ive 'only really spent time mocking up graphs'. Have I missed any assumptions you've made about me with zero info to back them up? Probably. YOU expect proof? The only proof I see is that you are a lousy guesser. Do I ever expect you to acknowledge that? Of course not. So telling me you don't, doesn't really bother me. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif[/IMG] You are a real piece of work. Ive admitted I didnt understand, Ive admitted you have taught me stuff here, yet you continue on with this 'unwilling to learn' crap. Just another lame attempt to place me in a negative light. Or, are you gonna quote me saying I have disregarded your reasoning? No, you wont, because you can't, because I haven't. Ive had a person or two try to relate what Ive been saying and my perspective on the conversation to you as well. I guess you've chosen to "ignore" them, as you are accusing me of? Im not unwilling to learn, or admit when Im wrong. Ive done both in this thread. The unwillingness here is on your part, to let things go. Aparently me stating Im no expert and learning here isn't good enough for you. Too bad. [/QUOTE]

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