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Buck hit on my thought, What are you tuned to? Go higher, 65ish Hz. Subs are more efficient there.
Altering enclosure tuning does not affect speaker efficiency. The idea behind higher tuning is to align the resonant freq of your vehicle with the peak output freq of your box/sub.

You may realize this, but your post was a bit misleading.

 
Yes/no. They ARE more efficient at the higher freqs, but yes I forgot that the guy I know that used to compete was tuned to his vans resonant freq of 67Hz. Some know him, some don't... Crazy "dB Dave" Jennings.

 
Yes/no. They ARE more efficient at the higher freqs, but yes I forgot that the guy I know that used to compete was tuned to his vans resonant freq of 67Hz. Some know him, some don't... Crazy "dB Dave" Jennings.
No, they AREN'T. A speaker's efficiency does not change based on its environment (including enclosure or vehicle). You can alter the over all efficiency of the system (speaker + enclosure + environment), but nothing you do, short of ripping into the speaker itself and altering its design, will change its efficiency.

And if your theory that subs are more efficient at higher freqs was true, then I guess a subwoofer would be hella efficient at 20khz.

 
I'm not going to argue with you on this, but I'm sure Dave knows more about this then both of us, and it is easier to get more SPL out of a system at a higher freq vs a lower freq (with in the subs capability, 20k Hz, come on, you know I'm not that stupid), even if both freqs are to the vehicles resonant freq. Example: 33Hz, 66Hz, 132 Hz.... would all be resonant freqs. for xx vehicle.

Daves van --> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/32277/1985-chevrolet-van/page-1

 
I'm not going to argue with you on this, but I'm sure Dave knows more about this then both of us, and it is easier to get more SPL out of a system at a higher freq vs a lower freq (with in the subs capability, 20k Hz, come on, you know I'm not that stupid), even if both freqs are to the vehicles resonant freq. Example: 33Hz, 66Hz, 132 Hz.... would all be resonant freqs. for xx vehicle.
Daves van --> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/32277/1985-chevrolet-van/page-1
How many resonant frequencies do you think your vehicle has?

And 'getting more SPL out of your system at higher tunings' is not the same as your original comment that subwoofers are more efficient at higher freqs. Go plot out the freq curve of several subwoofers in sealed boxes using WinISD, which ignores environmental factors like cabin gain, and then come back and tell us what you saw. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
I'm not going to argue with you on this, but I'm sure Dave knows more about this then both of us, and it is easier to get more SPL out of a system at a higher freq vs a lower freq (with in the subs capability, 20k Hz, come on, you know I'm not that stupid), even if both freqs are to the vehicles resonant freq. Example: 33Hz, 66Hz, 132 Hz.... would all be resonant freqs. for xx vehicle.
Daves van --> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/32277/1985-chevrolet-van/page-1
with the equipment he had he should've been a lot louder...probably the reason he got out of competing...i know people louder with less than half of what he ran //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
Well then JD wouldn't be any better then Steve Meade would he? And that's not what a forum needs. We're adults and we're behaving like so.

Yes, a vehicle has multiple res. freqs. I don't recall the formula, but it has to do with the distance from the front most part of the vehicle, its furthest most part, the volume of the vehicle and something else or maybe not that much at all, but for wave path lengths of a sub and the vehicle to determine the vehicles res. freqs. They double in freq just as it is from one octave to another.

Daves van was heller loud. The dB drag he was at that I attended he did a 169.5 at 67 Hz w/one of his 12 15"s dead. Rmember back when mythbusters did a thing on there whee Gary Biggs was there and they got a hundred and some dB at 16Hz???? The amount of power it would take to reach those numbers is crazy and difficult. My point being that reguardless of what you say, it is easier for a sub, and easier for the amp pushing it, to create higher numbers at higher a freq. (within reason). When they do the sens rating on a sub (as you were talking about above), they use pink noise~ all freqs. When doing SPL, it's a single freq used, so all power from the amp goes is concentrated to that one chosen freq instead used through all of them.

PG's BassCube manual states it best. I'll see if I can find the correct manual as there's 2 of them.... Found it. it's the secrets manual. Page 8 is what I'm in reference to.

http://download.phoenixphorum.com/Manuals/Processors/Basscubes/BassCube_Secrets.pdf

 
Yes, a vehicle has multiple res. freqs. I don't recall the formula, but it has to do with the distance from the front most part of the vehicle, its furthest most part, the volume of the vehicle and something else or maybe not that much at all, but for wave path lengths of a sub and the vehicle to determine the vehicles res. freqs. They double in freq just as it is from one octave to another.
No offense, but you really have no idea what the resonant frequency of a vehicle is.

It is the frequency at which the vehicle, as a whole, resonates the most. There are various pieces of the vehicle that resonant at different freqs, like the plastic trim panels resonate at a diff freq than the engine block, but when you run sweeps -inside- your car, its "peak" is at one freq (or a small range). In the context of this discussion, the vehicle resonates the most only once. You may find multiple smaller peaks, but there is only one highest peak. And even this does not suggest the higher the freq, the more efficient the system will always be. Nor does it, going back to our original disagreement, alter the efficiency of the speaker in any way.

What you are describing, is the wavelength development cycle versus confining space. For example, your SUV may be 8 feet long from rear window to windshield, while the wavelength of a 60hz sound wave is approx 18 feet. The wave does not dully develop without reflections. This has lead to the common misconception that lower freqs are not fully audible. But it doesn't matter, because that's a complete different subject, and has nothing to do with resonant frequencies.

edit: resonant freq has nothing to with pathlegths of subs, it is affected by mass and shape. Something heavier resonates lower than something lighter, for example. Rigidity derived from shape can also affect resonance, as in a thin sheet of alum will resonate higher than the same sheet folded into a cube. Basic physics at work here.

 
in laymans terms just tune to your peak frequency (not frequencies) and you will be able to hit whatever score with the least amount of effort.. alot easier to get loud at that peak freq then anywhere else..

 
on another note.. are you trying to do it legally or just do anything to gain a 50.. i havent been in any org that let you put visors down. If thats teh case just mic where ever you can get your 50. hell just build a tiunnel from your box to the windshield.. what rules are you trying to adhere by?

 
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