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<blockquote data-quote="Chromatic" data-source="post: 8209214" data-attributes="member: 659121"><p>I appreciate the apology, but no need to apologize. And, Roll Tide. I live in Birmingham //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif</p><p></p><p></p><p>I may end up with a little more budget than initially thought.. but still I don't want to just spend money to spend it ya know.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For sure!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well,. This is how the car is setup. It's a 2008 350z BASE.. which means it's a nice car, but doesn't have cruise control and has terrible Clarion speakers in it.</p><p></p><p>The stock setup is 6.5" mids in the front doors (normal location).. a tweeter in by the window/pillar (not sure if it's even in the base model.. but the slot is there).. and two 6.5" mids behind the seats about neck level. The base has all the spots the "premium" system in the 350z has.. Mainly it has a panel behind the driver seat that the Factory sub is mounted into .. just in my model it's just covered with a panel.. So a sub can go there.. be nice actually to have it there hidden -- You pull the panel off behind the seat and you have this:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7979/photo15nh.jpg" target="_blank">http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7979/photo15nh.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>Obviously someone's putting something in there.. amp, sub.. not sure. But you see the space.</p><p></p><p>Here's a picture of the actual stock sub in that slot:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ImageHandler/scale/489/489/ca/learningcenter/articles/3146/subspeaker.jpg" target="_blank">http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ImageHandler/scale/489/489/ca/learningcenter/articles/3146/subspeaker.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>That's obviously with the cover/panel/grill pulled off.</p><p></p><p>Here's a few pictures of what people have done with that slot with aftermarket subs:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/audio-electronics/41003d1186619192-enclosure-factory-sub-location-kshep_eclipse_subwoofer.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/audio-electronics/41003d1186619192-enclosure-factory-sub-location-kshep_eclipse_subwoofer.jpg</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://tinypic.com/etzmnc.jpg" target="_blank">http://tinypic.com/etzmnc.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>And here are some other options that are common:</p><p></p><p>They make these boxes for $100 or so to fit 1 sub, or 2.. of any size really.. but mostly 8 or 10".. most commonly 10" -- It fits under the crossbar. (I'd prefer not to take up trunk space.. but just to show you:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://liljerk.morpheus.net/350Z/sub_enclosure/images/sub_box.jpg" target="_blank">http://liljerk.morpheus.net/350Z/sub_enclosure/images/sub_box.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>Here's one with two subs:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2363/1081/30905540008_large.jpg?v=0" target="_blank">http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2363/1081/30905540008_large.jpg?v=0</a></p><p></p><p>Then there are SUPER expensive enclosures I'd love to have that fit in a corner .. but these are like $350 just for the enclosure:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wickedcas.com/gallery/d/14023-3/350Z+Corner+sub+box" target="_blank">http://www.wickedcas.com/gallery/d/14023-3/350Z+Corner+sub+box</a></p><p></p><p>So you see there are a ton of options in this car.</p><p></p><p>But Yes,.. I think it would be wise monetarily to use my MB Quart 160 KX Coaxials 6.5" mids (with 1 inch tweeters that run over the middle of them) in the front doors. They sounded phenomenal in my 300ZX,.. they should sound great now, no? They are 70watts RMS. I ran 75watts x 2 when I previously ran them.</p><p></p><p>And yes -- and 8" or 10" sub. I don't want trunk rattling ear blowing bass.. just a nice punch you get with most premium factory sound systems (maybe a HAIR more.. but not much..).</p><p></p><p>The size may come down to pricing.. and being able to fit it in a better location? What do you recommend? (I love JL Audio.. never heard a bad sounding one, and their w1 series is priced right around 100 bucks.. and I don't need more than 1 sub.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, these are coaxials.. so no tweets except the 1" tweeters built onto the MB Quart 6.5" mid. (and the stock tweeter is just disconnected) (unless I buy a new set of speakers for mids/highs) will be run to the stock tweets.</p><p></p><p>ALL the speakers in this BASE sound system are bottom of the line Clarion 18watt speakers.. they are absolutely horrible .. You would be a little surprised at how bad this 6 speaker setup is.. The premium system from Nissan in this car sounds not bad.. I probably wouldn't do anything if I had it.</p><p></p><p>But.. Looking at my MB Quarts:</p><p></p><p>These are my actual speakers (bad picture..)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/111739693@N04/11445848745/" target="_blank">MB-Quart-QM-160-KX-70watt-6.5 inch | Flickr - Photo Sharing!</a></p><p></p><p>They have two speaker inputs.. a positive and negative on one side of the magnet, and a positive and negative on the otherside. (I'm not genius with this obviously) -- but that tells me one terminal goes to the tweeter, and other to the 6.5" mid. -- Surely the installer wouldn't run the highpass to the Mids and "mids" to the tweeters?</p><p></p><p>Anyhow, as you see in the picture they come with cross-overs -- Two of them, one for each speaker -- They say "12 dB crossover, Made in Germany" on them.</p><p></p><p>I remember buying a Crossover separate a year or two after I had my old system for like $50-60 bucks and it worked excellent, and I had super fine control over the subs and mids with it. I'd fork out a little money if that was needed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok unless I buy new speakers which I don't think I should cause these are really good high end speakers (even if old).. The factory tweeters are just going to be disconnected. Furthermore,.. Everyone says to just disconnect the 6.5" factory mids behind the seats because they are so bad, and the front speakers provide all you need for the 2 seater car.</p><p></p><p>As for headunit,.. I honestly don't know exactly all it's capabilities.. but it has a parametric EQ that I can adjust each band fairly easily... This is the headunit if it helps:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/DVD-Receivers/AVH-P4100DVD" target="_blank">AVH-P4100DVD - In-Dash Double-DIN DVD Multimedia AV Receiver with 7" Widescreen Display | Pioneer Electronics USA</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok,.. I can run a sub amp, and a separate amp for the 2 other speakers in front -- But wouldn't it be cheaper and work just fine to run say a 4 channel amp that ran 75x2 to the fronts.. then the other 2 channels bridged for 150watts to a JL w1 sub? (Could even buy a $50-60 crossover and mount it somewhere for good control over the bass/mids/highs) ?</p><p></p><p>Hope that clears everything up!</p><p></p><p>Thanks for your help, really..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chromatic, post: 8209214, member: 659121"] I appreciate the apology, but no need to apologize. And, Roll Tide. I live in Birmingham [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/IMG] I may end up with a little more budget than initially thought.. but still I don't want to just spend money to spend it ya know. For sure! Well,. This is how the car is setup. It's a 2008 350z BASE.. which means it's a nice car, but doesn't have cruise control and has terrible Clarion speakers in it. The stock setup is 6.5" mids in the front doors (normal location).. a tweeter in by the window/pillar (not sure if it's even in the base model.. but the slot is there).. and two 6.5" mids behind the seats about neck level. The base has all the spots the "premium" system in the 350z has.. Mainly it has a panel behind the driver seat that the Factory sub is mounted into .. just in my model it's just covered with a panel.. So a sub can go there.. be nice actually to have it there hidden -- You pull the panel off behind the seat and you have this: [URL="http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7979/photo15nh.jpg"]http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7979/photo15nh.jpg[/URL] Obviously someone's putting something in there.. amp, sub.. not sure. But you see the space. Here's a picture of the actual stock sub in that slot: [URL="http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ImageHandler/scale/489/489/ca/learningcenter/articles/3146/subspeaker.jpg"]http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ImageHandler/scale/489/489/ca/learningcenter/articles/3146/subspeaker.jpg[/URL] That's obviously with the cover/panel/grill pulled off. Here's a few pictures of what people have done with that slot with aftermarket subs: [URL="http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/audio-electronics/41003d1186619192-enclosure-factory-sub-location-kshep_eclipse_subwoofer.jpg"]http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/audio-electronics/41003d1186619192-enclosure-factory-sub-location-kshep_eclipse_subwoofer.jpg[/URL] [URL="http://tinypic.com/etzmnc.jpg"]http://tinypic.com/etzmnc.jpg[/URL] And here are some other options that are common: They make these boxes for $100 or so to fit 1 sub, or 2.. of any size really.. but mostly 8 or 10".. most commonly 10" -- It fits under the crossbar. (I'd prefer not to take up trunk space.. but just to show you: [URL="http://liljerk.morpheus.net/350Z/sub_enclosure/images/sub_box.jpg"]http://liljerk.morpheus.net/350Z/sub_enclosure/images/sub_box.jpg[/URL] Here's one with two subs: [URL="http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2363/1081/30905540008_large.jpg?v=0"]http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2363/1081/30905540008_large.jpg?v=0[/URL] Then there are SUPER expensive enclosures I'd love to have that fit in a corner .. but these are like $350 just for the enclosure: [URL="http://www.wickedcas.com/gallery/d/14023-3/350Z+Corner+sub+box"]http://www.wickedcas.com/gallery/d/14023-3/350Z+Corner+sub+box[/URL] So you see there are a ton of options in this car. But Yes,.. I think it would be wise monetarily to use my MB Quart 160 KX Coaxials 6.5" mids (with 1 inch tweeters that run over the middle of them) in the front doors. They sounded phenomenal in my 300ZX,.. they should sound great now, no? They are 70watts RMS. I ran 75watts x 2 when I previously ran them. And yes -- and 8" or 10" sub. I don't want trunk rattling ear blowing bass.. just a nice punch you get with most premium factory sound systems (maybe a HAIR more.. but not much..). The size may come down to pricing.. and being able to fit it in a better location? What do you recommend? (I love JL Audio.. never heard a bad sounding one, and their w1 series is priced right around 100 bucks.. and I don't need more than 1 sub.) Well, these are coaxials.. so no tweets except the 1" tweeters built onto the MB Quart 6.5" mid. (and the stock tweeter is just disconnected) (unless I buy a new set of speakers for mids/highs) will be run to the stock tweets. ALL the speakers in this BASE sound system are bottom of the line Clarion 18watt speakers.. they are absolutely horrible .. You would be a little surprised at how bad this 6 speaker setup is.. The premium system from Nissan in this car sounds not bad.. I probably wouldn't do anything if I had it. But.. Looking at my MB Quarts: These are my actual speakers (bad picture..) [URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/111739693@N04/11445848745/"]MB-Quart-QM-160-KX-70watt-6.5 inch | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/URL] They have two speaker inputs.. a positive and negative on one side of the magnet, and a positive and negative on the otherside. (I'm not genius with this obviously) -- but that tells me one terminal goes to the tweeter, and other to the 6.5" mid. -- Surely the installer wouldn't run the highpass to the Mids and "mids" to the tweeters? Anyhow, as you see in the picture they come with cross-overs -- Two of them, one for each speaker -- They say "12 dB crossover, Made in Germany" on them. I remember buying a Crossover separate a year or two after I had my old system for like $50-60 bucks and it worked excellent, and I had super fine control over the subs and mids with it. I'd fork out a little money if that was needed. Ok unless I buy new speakers which I don't think I should cause these are really good high end speakers (even if old).. The factory tweeters are just going to be disconnected. Furthermore,.. Everyone says to just disconnect the 6.5" factory mids behind the seats because they are so bad, and the front speakers provide all you need for the 2 seater car. As for headunit,.. I honestly don't know exactly all it's capabilities.. but it has a parametric EQ that I can adjust each band fairly easily... This is the headunit if it helps: [URL="http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/DVD-Receivers/AVH-P4100DVD"]AVH-P4100DVD - In-Dash Double-DIN DVD Multimedia AV Receiver with 7" Widescreen Display | Pioneer Electronics USA[/URL] Ok,.. I can run a sub amp, and a separate amp for the 2 other speakers in front -- But wouldn't it be cheaper and work just fine to run say a 4 channel amp that ran 75x2 to the fronts.. then the other 2 channels bridged for 150watts to a JL w1 sub? (Could even buy a $50-60 crossover and mount it somewhere for good control over the bass/mids/highs) ? Hope that clears everything up! Thanks for your help, really.. [/QUOTE]
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