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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Hell, how about what happened on Aug. 18th 1920?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

December 1865?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

These rights are given to man by man. It is man that writes about them since the beginning of literacy and record keeping. To refute any b.s. you would like to toss out there Rob by letting your jaw drop and letting words fly out. These "Inalienable HUMAN rights" as you have called them shatter your own argument. People of color, women and the oppressed more often than not did not have these rights that you claim all humans have at birth. These people are humans as well are they not.

The point is human rights are a concept created by man and controlled by man. This means that governments can give you rights (Voting for women as an example) and can take them away as they see fit.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Innate human right to walk freely through the woods.
This right taken away by a Canadian Government.

You don't really have any innate rights or we all wouldn't have different rights. Innate rights are just a stupid thought exercise for the pretensious idiots in their ivory towers to pontificate upon as they look down on the rest of us who choose to live in reality.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You don't really have any innate rights or we all wouldn't have different rights. Innate rights are just a stupid thought exercise for the pretensious idiots in their ivory towers to pontificate upon as they look down on the rest of us who choose to live in reality.

At least Rob didn't use a self defense argument to prove humans always had the right to bears arms as written in 2A...I rally frigging hate the self defense or hunting justification for the second

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The point I literally just made and you respond by contradicting yourself while making my point.

How could I contradcit myself when this is the first time in this convo that I explained to you what an example is?

Awe whats the matter? Did I hurt you again? Why the ignorant reference to the old buffalo wings caterer bullshit that nobody paid attention to but that you think won you some kind of trophy?

Repetition is useful for slow learners like you. Kind of like a pavlovian thing

Not at all smart ***.

Oh? Then why did you infer there was no right to bear arms before firearms were invented?
You tripped yourself up. Again.

Now post a picture of a silencer, and tell me it's not legally a firearm, lol.

I tell you what then Mr. self proclaimed master of everything. Tell me when the concept of human rights came to be.

WHo knows? The first written mention of it was over 3,700 years ago.
Until you figure out what peeople were talking about prior to the written word, your guess is as good as mine.

But I'll be big money that before the written word, people defended their lives if something or someone tried to kill them, even wtihout knowing they had a right to fight for survival.

Or do you think they just gave up becasue no government had bestowed that right upon them yet?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Ah...the golden age of 3,700 years ago...when owning slaves was symbol status and buggering young boys was held in high regard...I'm sure Rob agrees with their definition of human rights...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You don't really have any innate rights or we all wouldn't have different rights. Innate rights are just a stupid thought exercise for the pretensious idiots in their ivory towers to pontificate upon as they look down on the rest of us who choose to live in reality.

Save yourself a lot of meaningless typing.
Just make a one-word post and attach your peer-reviewed dissertation to it.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You don't really have any innate rights or we all wouldn't have different rights. Innate rights are just a stupid thought exercise for the pretensious idiots in their ivory towers to pontificate upon as they look down on the rest of us who choose to live in reality.

Dissertation, please.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

A milestone document in the history of human rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights set out, for the first time, fundamental human rights to be universally protected. It has been translated into over 500 languages.

www.un.org

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is a milestone document in the history of human rights. Drafted by representatives with different legal and cultural backgrounds from all regions of the world, the Declaration was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in Paris on 10 December 1948 (General Assembly resolution 217 A) as a common standard of achievements for all peoples and all nations. It sets out, for the first time, fundamental human rights to be universally protected and it has been translated into over 500 languages. The UDHR is widely recognized as having inspired, and paved the way for, the adoption of more than seventy human rights treaties, applied today on a permanent basis at global and regional levels (all containing references to it in their preambles).

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Dissertation, please.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

A milestone document in the history of human rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights set out, for the first time, fundamental human rights to be universally protected. It has been translated into over 500 languages.

www.un.org

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is a milestone document in the history of human rights. Drafted by representatives with different legal and cultural backgrounds from all regions of the world, the Declaration was proclaimed by the United Nations General Assembly in Paris on 10 December 1948 (General Assembly resolution 217 A) as a common standard of achievements for all peoples and all nations. It sets out, for the first time, fundamental human rights to be universally protected and it has been translated into over 500 languages. The UDHR is widely recognized as having inspired, and paved the way for, the adoption of more than seventy human rights treaties, applied today on a permanent basis at global and regional levels (all containing references to it in their preambles).

So you use a governing body's granting of rights to argue that governments can't grant rights

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Notice Rob has ignored the women's right to vote that I posted as rights given by government as well as the right to freedom when they ratified the 13th amendment. Also a right granted by the government.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Notice Rob has ignored the women's right to vote that I posted as rights given by government as well as the right to freedom when they ratified the 13th amendment. Also a right granted by the government.

So when did the government grant MEN the right to vote?

And prior to the 13th, black peoiple had no right to be free?
What about in their own country, where they were free prior to being brought here?

Your argument often defeat your arguments.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Notice Rob has ignored the women's right to vote that I posted as rights given by government as well as the right to freedom when they ratified the 13th amendment. Also a right granted by the government.

He used a government granting rights to prove his argument that rights dont come from government...if he's willing to do that he's too intellectually dishonest to acknowledge any merit in someone else's argument...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So when did the government grant MEN the right to vote?

The government was men.

And prior to the 13th, black peoiple had no right to be free?
What about in their own country, where they were free prior to being brought here?

Is our constitution in their country?

Your argument often defeat your arguments.

You are being *** again because you have lost your argument.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The government was men.

But if they had no right to vote, when did they get that right bestowed on them?
What Amendment gave white males the right to vote?

Is our constitution in their country?

Is theirs in ours?

Before COTUS, no one had rights?
How did the indigenous manage to carry weapons?

You are being *** again because you have lost your argument.

Jimi seems to be having a tough time finding his dissertation. Where's yours? The one that has been accepted as completely reversing the UDOHR that was written and agreed upon 26 yeras before you were born, and things such as the Cyrus Cylinder, text of Hammuarbi, etc, that have existed for over 3,700 years before you were born?

I didn't see the press release where all the experts said "Thxone proved us all wrong!".
And, this webpage is still up: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights