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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Rob, I don't care. You are a liberal Democrat. Your goal is to argue. You don't care about anything else.

Trump won. Fair and Square. Dispute that.

Ahhhh, here are your Spins, Backpedals, Calling BS, Misdirection.
Every single time you get proved wrong.

In other news, Republicans showing how much they care about veterans.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ahhhh, here are your Spins, Backpedals, Calling BS, Misdirection.
Every single time you get proved wrong.

You have not proven me wrong. You have an interpretation of closed captions and because you think it supports your argument you are claiming I am wrong. I am not surprised. You have no comprehension skills, clearly no communication skills and punctuation's are a real problem for you. You have completely ignored how he spoke to see if it matches the closed captions punctuation's which it clearly does not but that is good enough for you cause you just want to argue. Arguing about closed captions lol.

Anyway, you going to dispute that the country elected Trump or what? Or do you already know its an argument you can't spin?

 

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[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I'm sure glad no one on the losing side is blaming starlink for rigging the election

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You have not proven me wrong. You have an interpretation of closed captions and because you think it supports your argument you are claiming I am wrong. I am not surprised. You have no comprehension skills, clearly no communication skills and punctuation's are a real problem for you. You have completely ignored how he spoke to see if it matches the closed captions punctuation's which it clearly does not but that is good enough for you cause you just want to argue. Arguing about closed captions lol.

You quoted what Kevin McCarthy typed, and lied that it was a quote of what Biden said.
The captions on the video and the words on the transcript are identical, and represent what Biden said. He even used the word surge in another time and place, and it was transcribed correctly then, too. It was NOT telling migrants to surge the border then, either.
And by the way, I would immediately as President, surge to the border. I would end this notion for the first time in history that people seeking asylum have to be in squalor on the other side of the river, in a desperate situation. They should be able to come to the United States and have a judgment made as whether or not they qualify. I would also surge to the border immigration judges to make decisions immediately and no one, no one would be put in jail while waiting for their hearing"

Obviously this is going to be a case where you will claim you know language better than everyone else, and that words don't mean what words mean, simply because it's the only way you can avoid being wrong.

We saw it before with your belief that the entire field of medical science doesn't understand the meaning of the word "in".
Its your own "alternative facts" hill to die on.

Anyway, you going to dispute that the country elected Trump or what? Or do you already know it's an argument you can't spin?

Explain this strawman, if you will.
Have you seen something in any of my posts where I suggested he wasn't elected?

Or is this just more of your Spins, Backpedals, Calling BS, Misdirection, in order to cover up that you essentially lied by attributing a quote to Biden that was not said by Biden?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I'm sure glad no one on the losing side is blaming starlink for rigging the election

After last night's fiasco, I blame Netflix.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You quoted what Kevin McCarthy typed, and lied that it was a quote of what Biden said.
The captions on the video and the words on the transcript are identical, and represent what Biden said. He even used the word surge in another time and place, and it was transcribed correctly then, too. It was NOT telling migrants to surge the border then, either.
And by the way, I would immediately as President, surge to the border. I would end this notion for the first time in history that people seeking asylum have to be in squalor on the other side of the river, in a desperate situation. They should be able to come to the United States and have a judgment made as whether or not they qualify. I would also surge to the border immigration judges to make decisions immediately and no one, no one would be put in jail while waiting for their hearing"

Obviously this is going to be a case where you will claim you know language better than everyone else, and that words don't mean what words mean, simply because it's the only way you can avoid being wrong.

We saw it before with your belief that the entire field of medical science doesn't understand the meaning of the word "in".
Its your own "alternative facts" hill to die on.

Explain this strawman, if you will.
Have you seen something in any of my posts where I suggested he wasn't elected?

Or is this just more of your Spins, Backpedals, Calling BS, Misdirection, in order to cover up that you essentially lied by attributing a quote to Biden that was not said by Biden?

Sadly, you will keep on arguing. Let me guess, you are unaware that other Democrats also encouraged migrants to come to America.

Yawn.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Dude, shut up.


"During a 2019 Democratic presidential primary debate, President Biden said that the United States is a country that tells people struggling under oppression or poor conditions, "You should come," as he argued for a more open asylum policy.

But now, as his administration deals with a crush of migrants on the southwestern border ‒ many being kept in poor conditions similar to those Democrats considered a scandal under the Trump administration ‒ Biden is telling migrants to remain in place.

"They deserve to be heard. That's who we are," Biden said of those applying for asylum in a 2019 debate moderated by Univision's Jorge Ramos. "We're a nation that says, 'You want to flee, and you're fleeing oppression, you should come.'"

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Sadly, you will keep on arguing. Let me guess, you are unaware that other Democrats also encouraged migrants to come to America.

Yawn.

More of your Spins, Backpedals, Calling BS, Misdirection, in order to cover up that you essentially lied.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

No comment on your lie about how religion is not being pushed on anyone, or the complete 180 on how 42million minimum wage workers should just "get a better job", but it's the government's fault that you can't get a better job, or that Trump is going to help the country by pushing prices down which will eliminate jobs and reduce wages.

And so on.

Dude, shut up.


"During a 2019 Democratic presidential primary debate, President Biden said that the United States is a country that tells people struggling under oppression or poor conditions, "You should come," as he argued for a more open asylum policy.

But now, as his administration deals with a crush of migrants on the southwestern border ‒ many being kept in poor conditions similar to those Democrats considered a scandal under the Trump administration ‒ Biden is telling migrants to remain in place.

"They deserve to be heard. That's who we are," Biden said of those applying for asylum in a 2019 debate moderated by Univision's Jorge Ramos. "We're a nation that says, 'You want to flee, and you're fleeing oppression, you should come.'"

the United States is a country that tells people struggling under oppression or poor conditions, "You should come,"

I guess you've never been to Liberty Island, or were taught anything about the statue. Have you ever heard of a poem called the New Colossus"?
It's on a plaque at the base of the statue. The statue that is the representation of (among several things) THE ADVANCEMENT OF FREEDOM.

Part of that poem is:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

So Biden was pretty damn accurate when he said "the United States is a country that tells people struggling under oppression or poor conditions, "You should come,"

Now this is going to shock the **** out of you, but that plaque has been there since 1903.
It was not placed there by Biden, and the concept was not created by, nor promulgated by, Biden.

And do yourself a favor: Look up the term asylum. Then look up what has to be done for someone to be granted asylum.

Hint: Unlike Trump just "thinking documents into a declassified state". Getting asylum requires a person to provide proof they should be eligible. They don't just "think it" into existence, and can't simply claim it and get it.
But of course, you will say I'm lying and there are a hundred million illegal migrants who get asylum just for the asking.
So go ahead, and look up the process yourself. Show me where I'm wrong.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

More of your Spins, Backpedals, Calling BS, Misdirection, in order to cover up that you essentially lied.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

No comment on your lie about how religion is not being pushed on anyone, or the complete 180 on how 42million minimum wage workers should just "get a better job", but it's the government's fault that you can't get a better job, or that Trump is going to help the country by pushing prices down which will eliminate jobs and reduce wages.

And so on.


the United States is a country that tells people struggling under oppression or poor conditions, "You should come,"

I guess you've never been to Liberty Island, or were taught anything about the statue. Have you ever heard of a poem called the New Colossus"?
It's on a plaque at the base of the statue. The statue that is the representation of (among several things) THE ADVANCEMENT OF FREEDOM.

Part of that poem is:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

So Biden was pretty damn accurate when he said "the United States is a country that tells people struggling under oppression or poor conditions, "You should come,"

Now this is going to shock the **** out of you, but that plaque has been there since 1903.
It was not placed there by Biden, and the concept was not created by, nor promulgated by, Biden.

And do yourself a favor: Look up the term asylum. Then look up what has to be done for someone to be granted asylum.

Hint: Unlike Trump just "thinking documents into a declassified state". Getting asylum requires a person to provide proof they should be eligible. They don't just "think it" into existence, and can't simply claim it and get it.
But of course, you will say I'm lying and there are a hundred million illegal migrants who get asylum just for the asking.
So go ahead, and look up the process yourself. Show me where I'm wrong.

You know, it's IRONIC that you are attempting to accuse me of spins, backpedals, calling BS when that is literally ALL YOU ARE ******* DOING. Anything that is posted your first and only response is to SPIN, CALL BS, BACKPEDAL, MISDIRECTION, DENIAL OF FACTS.

Seriously go away.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You know, it's IRONIC that you are attempting to accuse me of spins, backpedals, calling BS when that is literally ALL YOU ARE ******* DOING. Anything that is posted your first and only response is to SPIN, CALL BS, BACKPEDAL, MISDIRECTION, DENIAL OF FACTS.

Seriously go away.

You'll say it.
I'll ask you to back it up with evidence.
You'll bring up another subject.
After the fifth time I ask for evidence, you'll claim you "already posted it".
Then you'll whine that I keep asking you to prove your claims.

Because everyone knows that if Thxone makes a claim, it should always be accepted as fact, and NEVER questioned.

And look how many posts we already are away from you posting a quote that you dishonestly attributed to Biden, when it was actually something Kevin McCarthy posted.
Right by your playbook.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Or an updated version of the NCP Buck, who has a job and contributes to society, instead of feigning illness and ******* the welfare teat.



If you make more money, you make more money whether you call it an "increase" or a "raise".
4% more money in your pay is 4% more money in your pay. More is more.
Or, would you refuse 4% more pay because your employer called it an "increase" instead of a "raise"?

Inflation doubled during Trump's first year in office, and held until the pandemic recession forced it down.
Please explain why it's good for Trump to double inflation rates with no major driving factors like a post-recession recovery.
Why did he double the rate if that is a bad thing to do?

By "industry", I'll assume you mean manufacturing, and not other business.
Here's the issue with your claim: By the time Trump left office, we were down 178,000 manufacturing jobs.
48,000 of those were gone before the pandemic even started.
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So, the growth trend that started under Obama continued under Trump (albeit at a slower rate), but then started to decline in 2019 before the pandemic even hit.

1.2 million more jobs during Obama's term, but Trump made it only 2 years and 0.4 million jobs before things started to tail off. If you factor out the pandemic, and calculate Biden picking up where Trump started to decline, Biden "added" 0.3 million jobs.
But Trump is the industry hero and Obama and Biden are losers?
Interesting math, there.

Interest rates dropped because the Fed dropped them in response to the economy going in the shitter.
That's what the Fed DOES.
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Do you think banks accept lower interest out of the goodness of their heart? Hell no. It's to stimulate money flow.
Pick your local car dealership as an example. You think they are offering 0% financing ona car becasue business is slamming, and they are happy to just give money away? I sure hope not.
No, they are offering it becasue things are slow, the lots are full of stock, and new stock is coming soon. They need to stimulate sales, and are taking a financial hit to do so.
Economics 101

Everyone's life method. I was given my first bike. I wanted better. "Earn the money and buy one". So I did. I wanted a car, and knew damn well I had to earn it, without asking or being told. I WAS told "No way in hell you're going on my insurance plan", so I earned that money too.

If someone is old enough to drive, they are old enough to pay for their own gas, at the very least.
YMMV.

Trump didn't double inflation. He's just the guy who was in office at the time. The Fed is by far the driving force behind inflation.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You'll say it.
I'll ask you to back it up with evidence.
You'll bring up another subject.
After the fifth time I ask for evidence, you'll claim you "already posted it".
Then you'll whine that I keep asking you to prove your claims.

Because everyone knows that if Thxone makes a claim, it should always be accepted as fact, and NEVER questioned.

And look how many posts we already are away from you posting a quote that you dishonestly attributed to Biden, when it was actually something Kevin McCarthy posted.
Right by your playbook.

You are the most full of shit person on here. Let's play by your logic then.

That bullshit you keep posting isn't Biden's words they are the words of the closed captionist. Why would you post someone else's words and claim Biden said them. You are a liar.

Then you are going to post some more bullshit... Hey Rob, how many times on this forum have you been proved wrong?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Trump didn't double inflation. He's just the guy who was in office at the time. The Fed is by far the driving force behind inflation.

I'm arguing on the same playing field that the right-wingers here are arguing on.

If inflation now is Biden's fault, then inflation back then must be Trumps fault.
If stock market increases back then are Trumps success, then stock market increases now must be Biden's success.
If a decrease in mfg jobs by the end of Trumps term is a success, then an increase above tge high under Biden must be a massive success.
And so on.

I think that's a reasonable way to act, unless the wingers want to see the reality you just described.

What do you think are the odds of that?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You are the most full of shit person on here. Let's play by your logic then.

That bullshit you keep posting isn't Biden's words they are the words of the closed captionist. Why would you post someone else's words and claim Biden said them. You are a liar.

Then you are going to post some more bullshit... Hey Rob, how many times on this forum have you been proved wrong?

A lot of words yet you still won't admit you were quoting Kevin McCarthy, who was in turn misquoting Biden in an effort to change the meaning of what he said.

And you'll fight to the death saying both the captionist and the transcriptionists got it wrong in this instance AND in the other instance where Biden used that term.
But Kevin McCarthy, professional court stenographer, got it right.

Just like you doctor who "told you" there are no nerves in bone, and whoever "told you" oil leases are sold then forbidden to be used, and whoever "told you" it was against the law for Biden to sell oil from the SPR, and whoever "told you" the events at the Capitol on Jan 6th never happened.

You need to improve your info sources.