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[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ugghhh these far left Dems keep switching shit to complain about. My roommates wife is all freaking out about "Project 2025". How many times does Trump have to shut that down? He has stated several times he has nothing to do with it and that it was started by far right assholes. The left just wants to complain about anything.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Now we are getting somewhere. Energy is just one item. Then you have the business taxes, medical expenses, property taxes, licensing, regulatory costs, etc... It is ridiculous on how much regulations increases the cost of production.

So you think Trump is going to wave his magic wans and somehow force ow the cost of every piece of the manufacturing process?
Since the government is not supposed to be a producer and thus should not have direct control over industry, what is the plan to force every single industry in the US (and some in the world, such as energy) to lower their costs, in order to provide lower prices to the consumer?
And who is going to take the hit first, so that the new lower costs can be passed on?

Using just healthcare as an example, you have the providers, the pharmas, the insurers. To drive costs down, one of them has to take a major hit to income. Which one does it, and why?
Do they get taken over by force, or forced to take less profit, or...?

This is true, but the US is the causes the least amount of pollution. On top of that, all of these tree huggers will scream and shout at all of these rallies that they just jumped on a plan and flew to. It is not a secret that the Paris Accords mishandles the money we give them. We are the biggest contributor and the money ends up going to some country who doesn't use the money for what it is meant for.

Sadly, we don't even make it into the top ten of the least polluted countries (per capita) on the planet. India actually put out less CO2 than the US.

Trump is a great negotiator. Although the left doesn't want to believe it, other countries respect him. Under him, China didn't try to move in on Taiwan. Russia has always threatened Ukraine, except when Trump was in office. North Korea was threatening to bomb the US and South Korea. Not under Trump. Trump got North and South Korea to sit in the same room together. This is because All these countries know that Trump means business. Look at ISIS. Trump told them to knock it off, but ISIS kept poking him. So, Trump dropped a MOAB on their a$$ and that was the end of that.

Pew Research suggests the opposite worldview of Trump. Not very favorable, and a lot worse than Obama: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ld-see-the-u-s-and-donald-trump-in-10-charts/
North Korea is your example of his skills? Were you asleep for 2017-2018? Some Cliff notes for you:https://www.gmfus.org/news/year-trump-vs-kim-rhetoric-gone-nuclear

If you have ever worked in a manufacturing plant, you will see some of the dumbest government regulations. Do you know that OSHA is now regulating the use of O2 refrigeration systems like they regulate ammonia systems? Really??? They are stating that not regulating O2 in a system can be extremely dangerous. LOL... go figure...

What is oxygen refrigeration? Does that supplant all chem refrigerants with simple pure oxygen? I've only ever dealt with R12, R22, R134, and ammonia in simple sealed systems.

There are too many regulatory divisions. There's OSHA, EPA, ARB, CUPA, WRB, etc... the list goes on, and most of them are over the same exact thing.

Right now, as we speak, all of the 12+ million illegal immigrants are receiving financial support from our government. This includes medical, education, food stamps, debit cards, etc... That money is coming from our pocket. You and I are paying for that, and we will do this for the rest of their lives. The wall only failed because Biden stopped it. The wall isn't designed to completely stop people. It's there to deter them. Just like locking the doors on your car, or putting a fence around your yard. Also, the plan to keep them in Mexico is also a big deterrent.

Simply not true. Illegals do not get SNAP or Medicaid. Not even DACA are eligible for SNAP.
The wall failed because Trump promised someone else (specifically the people he wanted to keep out) would foot the bill , and he ended up pulling the funding from the Defense Department. He claimed the wall would cost $8 billion, but the actual cost would have been triple that, and he only managed to fold $1.8 billion of the cost into a $1.3 Trillion omnibus bill.
He even tried a shutdown in order to gain funding support.
The wall basically died during his presidency. Remember the private funding efforts he and Bannon tried to resort to?

He failed to achieve his campaign promise. And you expected Biden to achieve it for him?

If you be honest, life during Trump's presidency was not bad. The only thing that was bad was the constant riots and attacks from the left that made it seem bad. People were not complaining about inflation, their personal income, being able to buy a house or car, or buying groceries. The reason why so many people switched from voting left to voting right, is due to experiencing all these issues under Biden and Obama.

People complained about all those things all along. They always do.
Inflation literally doubled in his first year, and held.
No one switched left to right. He got less votes this time around. Simply far fewer people voted left.

Sure, Trump will not be perfect while in office, but he will be much better than the current presidency.

We can hope, but his track record doesn't provide much faith.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The average pay raise is maxed at 3%. You would have gotten that if you read the whole paragraph.

The paragraph could have said it a hundred times, but the fact is that average wages have gone up more than 4% during the administration.
Are you suggesting everyone only got 3% on average, but the country average was over 4%?
That's not how averages work.

The rest of your last argument is just you spewing garbage to make it look like you have a defense, but it's not working. For example, you should show different graphs, but they don't show the real numbers, like how we are truly affected.

You argument is that the whole economy is being faked?
That's quit a stretch

By the way, I drive a hybrid, which I have been doing so for over 10 years, and an 800cc motorcycle. I do have an F-150 truck that I use to pull my trailer when my family, and I, go camping. In the past year, I think I put 3,000 miles on it. I'm not sure how you picture me, but I am nowhere close to how you picture me. I'm a regular guy who work in an office. I have a management position for the local government where I am involved in just about everything goes on around here. If you must know, I make WELL over $100k a year. How much I truly make, is none of your business. Just know I'm not a government freebie ******* loser. I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, and the last time I even went to a bar was over 20 years ago.

I actually don't "picture you" at all. You've never said enough about yourself for any type of mental image to be formed, other than when you said as a local government official, you knew the pandemic was essentially one huge scam that you saw from the inside.

Be careful what you say about your job or your pay. Thxone will either call you a liar, or say that you are a thief for having a government job that pays so well, lol
Then again, he may call you the most honest person around since you are a Trump supporter

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Be careful what you say about your job or your pay. Thxone will either call you a liar, or say that you are a thief for having a government job that pays so well, lol
Then again, he may call you the most honest person around since you are a Trump supporter

What do you care what I think? Clearly you never paid attention to why I called you out about your alleged job. That is fine, I don't care. Anyone can support anyone they like... that is the difference between most Republican supporters and most supporters of Democrats, we don't care who you like or support or why you choose to do so. You and most of the left want to shame or cancel people who don't think like you or support the things you support or the people you follow. What is worse is that you all let it affect you so much emotionally that you can't function like normal people.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What do you care what I think? Clearly you never paid attention to why I called you out about your alleged job. That is fine, I don't care. Anyone can support anyone they like... that is the difference between most Republican supporters and most supporters of Democrats, we don't care who you like or support or why you choose to do so. You and most of the left want to shame or cancel people who don't think like you or support the things you support or the people you follow. What is worse is that you all let it affect you so much emotionally that you can't function like normal people.

It was a joke. Chill out.

Your think the left wants to shame or "cancel" people, yet almost all of the personal attacks you try to make are ********** in nature, your entire party is obsessed with controlling what people do in their bedrooms, it denies pretty much anything that is not a man and a woman having missionary *** to produce an endless string of babies as against "God" and nature, you want the government to be run based on religion, elected a ****** felon who wants to go after anyone who opposes him, by incarcerating them, and you simply deny any fact that paints your leader in a bad light.

Sorry, but one of those things are "normal" behavior.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It was a joke. Chill out.

Your think the left wants to shame or "cancel" people, yet almost all of the personal attacks you try to make are ********** in nature, your entire party is obsessed with controlling what people do in their bedrooms, it denies pretty much anything that is not a man and a woman having missionary *** to produce an endless string of babies as against "God" and nature, you want the government to be run based on religion, elected a ****** felon who wants to go after anyone who opposes him, by incarcerating them, and you simply deny any fact that paints your leader in a bad light.

Sorry, but one of those things are "normal" behavior.

You aren't funny enough to tell jokes. My personal attacks were varied. My insults to you were homosexual in nature. However, they were just "jokes". Nobody cares what anyone does in their bedrooms. Again, more left wing hysteria. Also, I am not religious. Nobody is denying that *** other than missionary happens. Nobody is stating that we must have an endless amount of babies or that we need to worship God. YOU are exaggerating that hysteria your side loves so much. Elected a ****** felon... because millions of voters saw with their own eyes that all of it was bullshit. Petty attempts by the left to INCARCERATE the opposition.

Do you get the hypocrisy or do I need to point it out for you?

 

[Old_Slapper]

The paragraph could have said it a hundred times, but the fact is that average wages have gone up more than 4% during the administration.
Are you suggesting everyone only got 3% on average, but the country average was over 4%?
That's not how averages work.

Rob,
you have to look deeper into these numbers. the 4% was only for one year. Also, you have to remember that minimum wage increased each year, which gave many people a 50% raise. In California was as much as 75% raises over the duration. So, the minimum wage people saw a huge financial gain, but nobody else did. If you google what the average yearly raise is, you will see it's 3%.

You argument is that the whole economy is being faked?
That's quit a stretch

The economy isn't fake. What the left is telling is, is fake. For example, they say the economy is great because the stock market is up. Who really gets rich off the stock market? Corporations and the 10%'ers. The left states that gas is lower because inflation is up. Sure, inflation is up, but our income does not match it.

You are a smart guy. I advise you to look outside the box. Look what is being written and how it is written. I can tell you for a fact that I am the smartest guy in the room. However, I'm not telling you that I'm the only guy in the room. See what I'm saying?

I actually don't "picture you" at all. You've never said enough about yourself for any type of mental image to be formed, other than when you said as a local government official, you knew the pandemic was essentially one huge scam that you saw from the inside.

Earlier, you painted a picture of me driving a big gas guzzling truck with Trump flags all around it. I don't even have a single Trump flag

Be careful what you say about your job or your pay. Thxone will either call you a liar, or say that you are a thief for having a government job that pays so well, lol
Then again, he may call you the most honest person around since you are a Trump supporter

He can call me a liar. I've been called a lot worse and I'm still alive.

 

[Old_Slapper]

It was a joke. Chill out.

Your think the left wants to shame or "cancel" people, yet almost all of the personal attacks you try to make are ********** in nature, your entire party is obsessed with controlling what people do in their bedrooms, it denies pretty much anything that is not a man and a woman having missionary *** to produce an endless string of babies as against "God" and nature, you want the government to be run based on religion, elected a ****** felon who wants to go after anyone who opposes him, by incarcerating them, and you simply deny any fact that paints your leader in a bad light.

Sorry, but one of those things are "normal" behavior.

I believe he voted for Trump, not a ****** felon. If you are saying Trump is a ****** felon, please provide solid proof.

The only people I see wanting to incarcerate those that oppose them is the left. Solid proof is what they are doing to Trump, J6 rioters, angry parents who attend school board meetings, etc... In fact, the left just passed a law that allows them to use federal law enforcement to investigate anyone who speaks against them.

Tell me, do you believe Hunter's sentencing was fair for the crimes he was found guilty of?

 

[Old_Slapper]

It was a joke. Chill out.

Your think the left wants to shame or "cancel" people, yet almost all of the personal attacks you try to make are ********** in nature, your entire party is obsessed with controlling what people do in their bedrooms, it denies pretty much anything that is not a man and a woman having missionary *** to produce an endless string of babies as against "God" and nature, you want the government to be run based on religion, elected a ****** felon who wants to go after anyone who opposes him, by incarcerating them, and you simply deny any fact that paints your leader in a bad light.

Sorry, but one of those things are "normal" behavior.

Please provide proof that the right is trying to control what goes on in the bedroom. As for the government running on religion... I would trust a person who fears a higher power more than a person who fears nobody.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

He can call me a liar. I've been called a lot worse and I'm still alive.

It's just his attempt at division. It's what the left does... divide people.