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OK, here's your very broad stroke:

Gas averaged $3.19/ gallon under Trump's presidency.
For the first three years of Biden's presidency, gas has averaged $3.73 per gallon.
That is a 16% increase

Wages averaged $53,048 under Trump's presidency.
Wages average $62,275 so far under Biden.
That is a 17% increase.

So, gas is actually cheaper, on average, during Biden's presidency.
The price has not increased at the same rate as wages.

Before you scream "LIES!", here is the math illustrated:
You have a job that pays $1000 a month under Trump. Your only expense is gas, and gas costs you $1000 a month.
You get a 17% raise under Biden, and you now make $1170 per month.
But...gas prices have also gone up, yet they increase by 16%.
Gas is now $1160 per month.
With wages of $1,170 per month but expenses of $1,160 per month, you now have disposable income of $10 that you didn't have under Trump.
That means gas is cheaper.

You have the answer you were demanding based on your requested and very broad data set.
It is obviously not going to be the answer you expect or want to fit your beliefs or chosen narrative.

Now explain to us all where you think the math is wrong, how you think it is wrong, and what you think the correct math is.
You know goal posts are planted into the ground, right? You can't pick them up, shift them, and put the goal posts in front of your ball after you already kicked it, like you did here.
 
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It's not an analogy, simpleton. It's an illustration to show the math principle in real-world use.
And it showed you are wrong.

And just as I predicted, the broad stroke that you demanded proved you wrong, and now you want to say the math is all lies.
So effing predictable, it's pathetic.

I was VERY clear that I am not going to calculate 96 months (or 372+ weeks, or 2,880+ days) worth of stats just so I can prove you wrong yet again. So here are your choices:
1. Pick one or five or no more than 12 months you want to compare.
2. Give me the annual average gas price by year for Minnesota from 2017-present. Pull the data from the SEDS, and provide it. I'm not going to do your homework for you.
Like you said: "Google just answers all the questions". Right? So, go ask Google.


Do one of those I will then give you the answer you are asking for.
Do NOT demand answers form me when you don't know the answer to your own question, and don't even seem to be sure what the question IS.

And I will bet right now that it will still be an answer that proves you wrong, and that you will then cry like a child is "fake news", since that is exactly what I predicted and exactly what you just did.
Hell, I'll GUARANTEE both circumstances.

To be fair, I have the data. If YOU don't, then you shouldn't pose the challenge.
So, you wanna take the bet? Grow some balls, kid. Stand up to the challenge.
Ahh the "it's too much work to prove you wrong" gag.
I also provided you with the link Rob, to verify for yourself.
I also never said google wasn't a search engine yet you blather on about Google too and a card catalog. You act like I don't know what these things are you speak of probably because you fail to remember we are of similar age but you just assume I am 20 something.
 
Engoron said Trump was guilty before the trial happened? Can you provide proof of that?
Why did Trump's attorneys not know this, and you do? They could have had the judge tossed and another one take his place. or they could push for mistrial.
Judges aren't allowed to do that.
But yes, I am very interested in seeing proof.

Trump committed a thing called financial fraud. When you misrepresent financial information related directly to business loans, you are breaking the law. It doesn't matter if in the end "nobody was hurt" or "everybody won", or even if the banks stated "there was no fraud".
The banks are not the arbiter of state statute, and do not get to decide that the falsification of info was fraud or not. That's not how law works in this country.

Afraid of Trump? I sincerely doubt that. Afraid of how badly he'd f*ck up this time if got into officve again? More likely.

I will admit if he was wrongly accused if you could show me ANY "wrongful" accusations.
I'm all about proof, and I would be happy if you posted any that you may have regarding the "wrongful" accusations.

There are five primary metrics of a good economy. Employment, Discretionary income, CPI, GDP, Consumer spending.
Unemployment peaked at 14.8% in 2020, and was at 6.8% when Trump left office. It was 3.5% when he took office. it has steadily declined from Trump's 6.8% since Biden took office, and is now at 3.7%.
Biden 1, Trump 0
Discretionary income was at $15K under Trump, surged for a few weeks to $18K, then quickly settled back to $16K. After Biden took office, it surged to $20K, then settled back down to $16K and is now at $17K.
Biden 2, Trump 0
CPI was at $257.91 in 2020. It is now $308.00. That is a 19% increase. There is no average wage data out for 2023 that I can find yet, so I do not know if wage growth kept up. I can tell you that "In January 2024, inflation amounted to 3.1 percent, while wages grew by five percent." Wage growth exceeding inflation is a win, BUT:
SCORE TO BE DETERMINED.
GDP was at $20.93 Trillion in 2020. At EOY 2020 it was at $27.36 Trillion
Biden 3, Trump 0
Consumer Spending was $15.6K in 2020 and $17K at EOY 2023. Real disposable income peaked at $16.4K in 2020. It was $17K at EOY 2023.
Biden 4, Trump 0

The final score rests on how much the average wages were in 2023, but we've got 4 out of 5 metrics showing better under Biden.

This was asked before, and I asked for a definition of "stronger", which no one could provide. I then said that I considered the economy as the indicator of our "strength", and then I went on to detail WHY. I did it again in the paragraphs above.
And those numbers are not beli0efs or feeling or opinions. They are economic data gathered and disseminated by the same sources now as in years past.
Any stupid attempt to say they are faked (like Thxone would try) will be rebutted with a request to prove the fakery, and explain the why and how it's only happened NOW.

Do they know anyhting about the economy? How would they dispute the numbers above? Would they say something like "I don't believe it" or "I don't care".
Sadly, it's obvious how many people actually analyze things that way, and just follow their beliefs. Totally in disregard of facts.
Did you know that ~93% of people polled BELIEVE they have better driving skill than the median driver?

Most people didn't understand it the last time, so I'll explain: The median is the MIDDLE. The point where half the group is above and have the group is below something.
In a group of 101 people, 50% will be above the median skill level.
Yet in that same group, 93 people will believe they are above the median skill level.

Mathematically impossible, but why let facts get in the way of beliefs? Right?


I don't share my beliefs with regard to arguing this stuff. I leave that for guys like Buck, Yournamehere, Thxone, etc.
"This border crap"? No, I'M not the guy who refuses to accept that the current border crisis started under Trump.
I think the claim made was that the huge surge that happened during his administration was just an "outlier" and we should not consider Trump as responsible, but we SHOULD consider Biden responsible for the influx, even though the arrests and deportations have outstripped the ones under Trump by a LONG shot.
There was no explanation as to why a surge under Trump is an "outlier" but it's not an "outlier" under Biden.
That seems lopsided and perhaps a bit biased.

If you want to argue beliefs, tell me what flavor of ice cream is "best".
If you want to argue things like the economy, melting temps of steel, violation of law, the existence of laws, bone innervation, historical prices of common goods, etc, then come to the game with cold hard facts.

We can compare the facts and easily see where they land.




So you refuse to tell me what your ACTUAL question is, but then you will complain I am not answering you.
You are literally worse than a goddamn spoiled 5 year old child.

I guess this is SEVEN times now?
"Pick a month or five, I'll tell you exactly what you want to know.
But a few tidbits:
In 2019 the national real average price of gas was $3.08-$3.11 per gallon. Today in MY region, it's around $2.73, but the national average for last month was $3.08.
The average real price of gas in the US for 2015 was $3.21. In 2016 it was $2.82
And before you get stupid with your argument (like you tried with the beef discussion), all prices are averages for pump gas, not racing fuel one year, but ethanol-mix another year"

What words confused you? "pick"? "month"? "tell"?
Or did you get lost when they were all bunched up crazy-like in a sentence?

You might have blurry vision today. so, I'll say it again:
"Pick a month or five, I'll tell you exactly what you want to know."

THE DATA ABOVE SAYS YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN WRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS.
IF YOU WANTED A DIFFERENT DATA REFERENCE POINT, THEN SPEAK UP AND SAY WHICH ONES. IF YOU ARE UNABLE OR DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LEAVE THE CHAT AND HAVE A GROWNUP OR YOUR BABYSITTER EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. IT MAY BE AN INDICATION THAT THE ALCOHOL IS HAVING PERMANENT DELETERIOUS EFFECTS ON TH BRAIN CELLS, IF ANY, THAT YOU HAVE LEFT.

Again, pulling only the info you want to hear.

Trumps attorneys did know and, of course, the judge wouldn't hear it. Look it up.

According to the metrics you used, I guess the economy is going great. Here, I thought facts like everything costing over 15% more, higher interest rates, much higher cost of living, etc... was common sense that the economy sucks. I guess you forgot we were close to a recession going into 2023.
Apparently, you have a hard time finding facts, so here you go.
 
Still didn't answer my initial question? Are you blaming Biden for diesel prices?

The main causes of inflation (in order) is because global supply dropped when global demand dropped during the pandemic, then the Fed & other Central Banks slashed rates and participated in unprecedented quantitative easing and govt's pumped unprecedented amounts of deficit spending. POTUS only had influence on of those 3 major causes - deficit spending. Any guess on which POTUS maxed out deficit spending?



I did answer that question. I blamed Bidden for the rising fuel cost. By definition, diesel is fuel. EVERY highly recognized economist out there will tell you how Biden is responsible for it. Just Google who's responsible for it, and they all explain how Biden had his hand in it.
 
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I did answer that question. I blamed Bidden for the rising fuel cost. By definition, diesel is fuel. EVERY highly recognized economist out there will tell you how Biden is responsible for it. Just Google who's responsible for it, and they all explain how Biden had his hand in it.
I see EVERY highly recognized economist. I guess all the ones that would point to the war, the pandemic and the fact that the US is now the highest producer of petroleum on the globe and producing petro at historic US highs. Those same "unrecognized" economist also point to the output reduction from OPEC+ and Russian oil being forced to the grey market. That Biden guy sure is one powerful Mofo.
 
I see EVERY highly recognized economist. I guess all the ones that would point to the war, the pandemic and the fact that the US is now the highest producer of petroleum on the globe and producing petro at historic US highs. Those same "unrecognized" economist also point to the output reduction from OPEC+ and Russian oil being forced to the grey market. That Biden guy sure is one powerful Mofo.
#1, I never said the US is not pumping record high oil.
#2, Bingo... you mentioned the pandemic. Who was pushing for all the shutdowns, country wide panic, and other unnecessary actions that caused the higher prices? Biden could have stopped it if he would have just came out and told the truth about COVID. Instead, he went along with the spreading all the lies and causing mass hysteria.
 
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