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I wouldn't expect anything else from you. Another ignorant response. So when did I say "if any" and if I did why didn't you comprehend what I said?
Speaking of mental disorders, you are a "muthaf*ckin queen!" (can't recall the movie that's from) of denial.
HERE is where you said it: "...how was there enough if any left behind to continue to burn for as long as each tower stood before they collapsed?" (Post #678 if you want to claim my quote is faked).
I comprehend just fine.
Why did you use words to indicate you believed there was no fuel left to burn, if that's not what you MEANT? Words are very important. If you have so much difficulty using them to express what you MEAN, then maybe stick to just reading here, and looking at the pretty pictures.
Once again b/c you seem to forget things quickly:
"The interjectory “if any” is used to indicate that the bare minimum of something will probably not happen or will not come to pass"
"When used as an interjectory statement, “if any” highlights how little there is of something."

If you didn't want to intimate that there was little to no fuel left after the fireball, then you shouldn't have used the words "if any".
WORDS ARE IMPORTANT FOR CONVEYING WHAT YOU MEAN.
Use them wisely.
Wow Rob... I have NO DOUBTS now that you have folder after folder on your POS computer just waiting to throw up old post... LOL pathetic!!! Posting old shit again with no context. You are a clown.
Nope, just a really good memory.
It helps in talking to people like you who spin, backpedal, obfuscate, flip-flop, and flat out lie to try and argue your point.
The CONTEXT is that you are now real worried about the definition of LIQUID when it comes to your belief that the steel in WTC7 couldn't have melted form "some chairs and papers". If the definition of LIQUID is important now, one must assume it was important when you declared to us all that glass is a LIQUID.

Or is this going to be like the word "in" for describing nerves in bones? Maybe you were using a different and special definition for LIQUID back when you very much declared glass was a liquid?
Steel and glass not even close to the same.
Ohhhh, so "liquid" when it applies to steel is different from "liquid" when it applies to glass?
Cool.
Cool. Tell us the definition for "liquid" when we are discussing steel, then tell us the different definition for "liquid" when we are discussing glass.




I went all the way back to page 33, where I asked the last time, and I also check my notifications. I did not see your reply. As for the economy, I answer that already, and the 12+ were reasons why the US was better under Trump.
Don't be disingenuous. I gave you the post number. You don't need to go searching for it. Just go right to the post.
About the economy, do I really have to explain what is wrong with the economy today? All you need to realize is, everything costs a lot more now than it did 4 years ago. I see you like to read up on things. Read up on how the economy works and how Trump made energy cheaper under his presidency and how the cost of energy effects the economy.
No. I simply asked you to give me the post # where you listed the dozen-or-so reasons. It's probably only 3 digits. No need to retype your whole explanation.
As for "everything costs a lot more", do you mean real price or actual prices?
The average real price for gas in 2020 was $3.19 a gallon. Online sources say it is around $2.75 now. That's pretty good, I think. We have a long way to go to see the 2024 average, though.
In 2020, the average real price of ground beef was $7.17 a pound.
If you Google ground beef without naming a store or even a state, you'll see prices in the mid $6 range.
That's pretty good.
In 2020, the real price of a dozen eggs was $1.81. Google a dozen eggs and you'll see prices like $1.16, $1.99, etc.
That's puts us at a net zero position on eggs, I'd venture.

This is why I like to speak to hard data and facts, and I argue from those positions.
Too many people argue from the standpoint of "because I said so" or "because I believe". They'll complain about something that has actually IMPROVED, but they THINK it's worse or want it to be so they can blame someone.

Speaking of beliefs: Did you know that ~93% of drivers will tell you that they drive with better skill than the median driver does?
Think about that math for a minute.
Oh, last thing, bones do have pain receptors in them, so it is accurate to say they have nerves.
Interesting. There's a guy here who will argue, to the death, that bones do not have nerves in them.
He'll tell you three separate doctors told him so, AND that his extensive education in anatomy for the biology class he took makes HIM the expert. He'll tell you medical science uses the word "in"" wrong, and that the word "innervation" does not mean what they claim it does.
Would YOU take his word for it, or ask him to prove what he insists to be true?


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You already died on that hill, but want to keep going? Sure.
I asked questions to make sure it was understood what the guy was trying to figure out.
It's a basic tactic of troubleshooting.

YOU jumped right in with answers for him, which turned out to be WRONG, and showed us that you don't know audio near as well as you proclaim.

Do you still think paralleled wires hidden in a box are different than if those same wires are visible?
Do you still not know why an amp would have a low-level output jack on it?

Oh, and when are you going to tell that other guy how to properly set the phase on his subwoofer?
You jumped right in to try and take Thunderdome into the main forum, and then you offered absolutely NOTHING to the thread.
Do you not know what phase is and how to set it, either?
Maybe once you learn about line-level pass-through, perhaps.

HAHAHAHA, Your little meme below shows us BOTH things that confused you: Connecting subs to an amp with more than one set of speaker terminals, and what a low-level OUTPUT is on an amplifier.
Awesome.
 
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I mean let's be honest buildings hit up high by planes don't pancake into their own footprint. What, did the jet fuel heat up all the I beams in the basement too? LOL! There was molten steel flowing at the bottom of the towers after it collapsed, because the jet fuel didn't bring them down lol. Gtfoutta here.
The pancaking has been explained numerous times. Even if you believe the pancaking scenario is highly unlikely, you have admit the possibility of wiring up the towers, setting up the attacks and leaving no trace behind is at least equally improbable as the pancake theory.
 
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Oh, last thing, bones do have pain receptors in them, so it is accurate to say they have nerves.
Bones have more than just pain receptors, the have a whole nervous system that regulates things like growth, how the skeletal structure reacts to loading and red blood cell production. I'm 99.999999% sure Rob is aware that bones have nerves. Only one person that I'm aware of has disputed the existence of nerves in bones. That conversation also turned into another conversation nuancing the meanings of words.
 
The nervous system is its own organ, and there's multiple types of nerves that do different things, such as autonomic vs sensory vs motor; it's different functions. Your entire body is entwined with nerves, so it's more like bones are connected to the nervous system, as the bone is a separate organ system from the nerve itself, but there are nerves in bones, but bones themselves don't like make nerves. Bones form around nerves and blood vessels. Bones are kinda porous, and there's a new medical theory that bones themselves may just be really hard fascia (connective tissue). Idk, I actually know most of this because I'm sick, when it comes to connective tissues and nerves.

Here's a bone:

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This is technical as f, and this convo is already full retard semantics, but nothing really has nerves, your nerves have whatever they're inside of, because the nerves program or read it, as your nervous system is your communications system between the whole body and its parts into a singularity, the brain, if you will. Bone cells as bone cells, nerve cells are nerve cells. There's nerves cells inside of bone cell structures, but they aren't the same type of cells.
 
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How can the "best case scenario" be "A stoichiometric ratio". That's like "The best case scenario in the superbowl would be A final score" or "the best case scenario in the race would be A speed"
So, tell us : WHAT ratio is the "best case scenario" for this discussion.
Not "A ratio". I want the actual ratio. Express it as a ratio or as lambda.


Still waiting for the actual ratio with regards to this discussion. Gimme numbers, please.
Yes, I know plenty about lambda. Ever play with modified forced induction engines? You learn that shit real quick unless you have unlimited money to play with.
So, what ratio are we talking about with regards to this discussion and the asinine belief that steel could not have melted in the WTC fires and collapse?

So once again: WHAT IS THE RATIO WITH REGARDS TO THIS DISCUSSION?
Is your argument that the lambda was less than 1, so there is no way the steel could melt in the fire?
If so, what is your data that tells you this?
Do you think it's simply not possible, or only for this particular conspiracy theory?

Why in the word would he assume a perfect air/fuel mixture? Did he think this was a sealed environment, with no variables in play? That is the dumbest assumption EVER. Did he not know it was a building, and not a matchstick in a science lab?
FFS, the assumption is asinine.
If a deviation in either direction would result in lower temps, HOW THE F*CK does plain firewood get this stove pipe to glowing hot? That's 1,800 degrees or more. At lambda, would burns at 700 degrees.
Explain what you consider an impossible situation.
No, it is not being fed with pure oxygen, or any accelerants, just outside fresh air.
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So, WHAT IS THE STOICHIOMETRIC RATIO FOR THIS DISCUSSION?
It's not "A ratio"; I want THE ratio.

We're talking the realm of what is POSSIBLE.
If anything, the fire at Notre Dame would be LESS likely to create the superheated conditions required to melt steel. Yet, it hit 2,500 degrees there. NO accelerants. NO major "chimneys" and intake ducts that can cause the "woodstove effect".

But since you don't like Notre Dame, explain why this wood beam remains intact after a building fire while the steel beams have melted over it. "Unpossible", right?
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Tell us how it's impossible that a simple open-air gasoline fire cause this damage to a steel bridge.
In a whopping 17 minutes.
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Tell me how all these "impossible" things happened, and then tell me why it was not possible for the steel to melt in the WTC fire without some dark state plot and thermite.
In case you forgot:
1. Tell me the stoichiometric ratio FOR THIS DISCUSSION OF THE WTC FIRE.
2. Tell me why it would be presumed the combustion was at lambda FOR THE WTC FIRE
3. Tell me how a simple woodstove can get stainless pipe glowing red/orange if going above or below 1 lambda will make a fire less efficient (i.e. "cooler"), when wood burns at 700F.
4. Explain how , in a building fire, steel melted over a wood beam that was still supporting the steel after the fire was put out.
5. Explain how a simple gasoline fire melted steel.
I can't believe anybody would even argue this. Haven't we all melted aluminum cans, coins and copper wire in simple wood feuled campfires??? Those soup/food cans we melt in the campfire are tin coated steel. Steel melts at 2500f.

This is just like anti vax "science." The science only works if one focuses on singular facts and ignores the greater context, ignores the rest of the science.

In this case, I assume the metal continues to absorb heat/btu even if it's hotter than the fire itself. I also seem to remember that asbestos was outlawed part way thru WTC construction and the load bearing beams in question were not coated with asbestos on the floors impacted by the jets.
 
Speaking of mental disorders, you are a "muthaf*ckin queen!" (can't recall the movie that's from) of denial.
HERE is where you said it: "...how was there enough if any left behind to continue to burn for as long as each tower stood before they collapsed?" (Post #678 if you want to claim my quote is faked).
I comprehend just fine.
Why did you use words to indicate you believed there was no fuel left to burn, if that's not what you MEANT? Words are very important. If you have so much difficulty using them to express what you MEAN, then maybe stick to just reading here, and looking at the pretty pictures.
Once again b/c you seem to forget things quickly:
"The interjectory “if any” is used to indicate that the bare minimum of something will probably not happen or will not come to pass"
"When used as an interjectory statement, “if any” highlights how little there is of something."
Just as I thought.... no comprehension.
 
Bones have more than just pain receptors, the have a whole nervous system that regulates things like growth, how the skeletal structure reacts to loading and red blood cell production. I'm 99.999999% sure Rob is aware that bones have nerves. Only one person that I'm aware of has disputed the existence of nerves in bones. That conversation also turned into another conversation nuancing the meanings of words.
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I don't know how to explain it differently. Bone, the physical hard structure is like a cinder block with the holes in it wrapped in an electric blanket, the periosteum. Similar to how a water hose can go through the holes in the block so can the blood vessels in regards to bone. The electricity in the blanket is like the nerves in the periosteum. Crack the cinder block and you can damage the water hose and the blanket. Crack the bone and you can damage the blood vessels as well as the periosteum where the nerves are. The cinder block itself has no nerves in the structure. The are around it in the periosteum and through it in the haversian canals "holes in the cinder blocks"

By all means, argue with me about it or go speak with doctors.
 
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Ignore this clown. He has no clue what he is talking about. For Christ sake he posted a picture of steel beams and ask how they "melted" over. If he doesn't even know what the word melt means he clearly is just arguing to argue.
yea I know he lives in his own delusional world and brings up concepts he doesn't understand.
 
Speaking of mental disorders, you are a "muthaf*ckin queen!" (can't recall the movie that's from) of denial.
HERE is where you said it: "...how was there enough if any left behind to continue to burn for as long as each tower stood before they collapsed?" (Post #678 if you want to claim my quote is faked).
I comprehend just fine.
Why did you use words to indicate you believed there was no fuel left to burn, if that's not what you MEANT? Words are very important. If you have so much difficulty using them to express what you MEAN, then maybe stick to just reading here, and looking at the pretty pictures.
Once again b/c you seem to forget things quickly:
"The interjectory “if any” is used to indicate that the bare minimum of something will probably not happen or will not come to pass"
"When used as an interjectory statement, “if any” highlights how little there is of something."

If you didn't want to intimate that there was little to no fuel left after the fireball, then you shouldn't have used the words "if any".
WORDS ARE IMPORTANT FOR CONVEYING WHAT YOU MEAN.
Use them wisely.

Nope, just a really good memory.
It helps in talking to people like you who spin, backpedal, obfuscate, flip-flop, and flat out lie to try and argue your point.
The CONTEXT is that you are now real worried about the definition of LIQUID when it comes to your belief that the steel in WTC7 couldn't have melted form "some chairs and papers". If the definition of LIQUID is important now, one must assume it was important when you declared to us all that glass is a LIQUID.

Or is this going to be like the word "in" for describing nerves in bones? Maybe you were using a different and special definition for LIQUID back when you very much declared glass was a liquid?

Ohhhh, so "liquid" when it applies to steel is different from "liquid" when it applies to glass?
Cool.

Cool. Tell us the definition for "liquid" when we are discussing steel, then tell us the different definition for "liquid" when we are discussing glass.





Don't be disingenuous. I gave you the post number. You don't need to go searching for it. Just go right to the post.

No. I simply asked you to give me the post # where you listed the dozen-or-so reasons. It's probably only 3 digits. No need to retype your whole explanation.
As for "everything costs a lot more", do you mean real price or actual prices?
The average real price for gas in 2020 was $3.19 a gallon. Online sources say it is around $2.75 now. That's pretty good, I think. We have a long way to go to see the 2024 average, though.
In 2020, the average real price of ground beef was $7.17 a pound.
If you Google ground beef without naming a store or even a state, you'll see prices in the mid $6 range.
That's pretty good.
In 2020, the real price of a dozen eggs was $1.81. Google a dozen eggs and you'll see prices like $1.16, $1.99, etc.
That's puts us at a net zero position on eggs, I'd venture.

This is why I like to speak to hard data and facts, and I argue from those positions.
Too many people argue from the standpoint of "because I said so" or "because I believe". They'll complain about something that has actually IMPROVED, but they THINK it's worse or want it to be so they can blame someone.

Speaking of beliefs: Did you know that ~93% of drivers will tell you that they drive with better skill than the median driver does?
Think about that math for a minute.

Interesting. There's a guy here who will argue, to the death, that bones do not have nerves in them.
He'll tell you three separate doctors told him so, AND that his extensive education in anatomy for the biology class he took makes HIM the expert. He'll tell you medical science uses the word "in"" wrong, and that the word "innervation" does not mean what they claim it does.
Would YOU take his word for it, or ask him to prove what he insists to be true?


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You already died on that hill, but want to keep going? Sure.
I asked questions to make sure it was understood what the guy was trying to figure out.
It's a basic tactic of troubleshooting.

YOU jumped right in with answers for him, which turned out to be WRONG, and showed us that you don't know audio near as well as you proclaim.

Do you still think paralleled wires hidden in a box are different than if those same wires are visible?
Do you still not know why an amp would have a low-level output jack on it?

Oh, and when are you going to tell that other guy how to properly set the phase on his subwoofer?
You jumped right in to try and take Thunderdome into the main forum, and then you offered absolutely NOTHING to the thread.
Do you not know what phase is and how to set it, either?
Maybe once you learn about line-level pass-through, perhaps.

HAHAHAHA, Your little meme below shows us BOTH things that confused you: Connecting subs to an amp with more than one set of speaker terminals, and what a low-level OUTPUT is on an amplifier.
Awesome.


It was post #407.

As for gas prices, I'm not sure where you got your prices at. Also, when you look at gas prices that affect the cost of goods, you need basically look at the cost of diesel. Due to the cost of diesel, these prices soar through the roof in areas where goods are shipped farther distances. For example, if you look at the average cost of these same items, the prices will double. Our diesel, out here in Cali, was over $7 at last year. Some stations were over $8. Last summer, I was paying over $30 for a flat of eggs. During Trump, they were around $8.

You want some facts? Here you go! You can check other legit sites, and the numbers come out the same.

2020 vs 2023. Some were 2022 due to data.

Diesel Prices: $2.585 vs $3.854 = 49% increase

Egg prices: $1.51 vs $2.86 = 89% increase

Ground Beeg: $4.63 vs $5.47 = 32% increase

Bread prices: $1.538 vs $2.033 = 32% increase

Milk Prices: $3.318 vs $4.091 = 23% increase

Here's the big ones!
Inflation Rates: 1.4% vs 3.1% = 121% increase

Federal Interest Rates: 0.37% vs 5.33% = 1341% increase
 
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