Current events discussion

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Not sure why people can't accept the fact that a global pandemic kinda screws up analyst of anything, whether it's inflation, immigration, education, supply chain issues, etc. And of course depending on a person's political proclivities, if you brought up how education took a nosedive since 2020, that person would either blame or ignore Covid's impact at their convenience.

That said, I'll give Trump credit for being the first POTUS since Reagan to address the issue. I'll critique Trump for not having a more comprehensive solution to immigration and using the issue to race bait. I'll credit Biden for largely keeping Trump policies in place. I'll critique Biden for not having a more comprehensive solution to immigration. I'll critique the USSC/courts for saying Texas can't secure their border. I don't see how Texas securing the/their border violates any laws even if the border is a federal responsibility. That be like me telling my wife she can't do the dishes for me because I agreed to do the dishes on Wednesday nights.

Yes, you look to the facts to shape your critiques.
You don't critique one person for doing one thing while praising another person for doing the same thing.
You don't disregard facts simply because those facts hurt your narrative.
You don't promulgate false information to support your narrative.
You practice due diligence and critical thinking instead of saying "I don't give a sh** what the facts, say, this is my BELIEF, therefore it is correct".

Yet people like you are described as "emotional" or "triggered" if you speak up.
Ironic.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

We all know CIA directors are honest people :

"Former CIA Director Leon Panetta said that Russia could "blind" the US by using a nuclear-capable weapon to disable satellites in space."

MSN

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

This is so incredibly disturbing:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

How in the f*ck did the "west" get to this point? Where are the parents of these kids? How is this legal?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yes, you look to the facts to shape your critiques.
You don't critique one person for doing one thing while praising another person for doing the same thing.
You don't disregard facts simply because those facts hurt your narrative.
You don't promulgate false information to support your narrative.
You practice due diligence and critical thinking instead of saying "I don't give a sh** what the facts, say, this is my BELIEF, therefore it is correct".

Yet people like you are described as "emotional" or "triggered" if you speak up.
Ironic.

I'm actually listening to a conservative critique of the social justice (woke) movement. The main issue with the social justice movement is it ignores objective facts and you just construct a "reality" to fit your narrative ignoring all facts contrary to your political proclivities. This is how you end up with feminists & LGBTQxyz movements supporting Hamas & the Houthis, who would at best strip these social justice warriors of their rights if not kill them in inhuman ways.

Yet this conservative commentator hasn't commented on the conservative conspiracy theory movement, which is the right wing version of social justice. Many on the right are totally willing to ignore reality if it doesn't fit their narrative. I've seen woke warriors say Floyd Mayweather should be allowed to box as woman if he "believes" he's a woman. Clearly that belief has no basis in reality.

I don't see our current political problems/divide as a left/right issue, but more of a problem that so many people on both sides willfully ignore facts. If people would accept that facts are facts rather than create their own realities from gossamer politics would return to the center.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

This is so incredibly disturbing:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

How in the f*ck did the "west" get to this point? Where are the parents of these kids? How is this legal?

I don't know. We may be fawked. I don't know if we can come back from where we are....

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

This is so incredibly disturbing:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

How in the f*ck did the "west" get to this point? Where are the parents of these kids? How is this legal?

If that's accepted as pride...they are all garbage human beings...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

A fair request. Your post portraying Biden as doing something (or being unable to do something), followed by your post claiming you are not portraying Biden as doing something (or being unable to do something). Are those actually your posts, or do you share your account with someone else?

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So when a person changes subjects you ignore that change. Got it.

And? WTF does that have to do with anything? You said "It" is a "Democrat club". What is "It"? The country? Your state? Your town? The world?
You are like the people who talk about the secret "they" who meet to decide the fate of the world, and set gas prices before breakfast.

I already clarified it for you but you will ignore that so you can talk shit. Got it.

So, you thought it AT THE TIME, but then you no longer believe it? The though was in your head as you typed it, and then just suddenly went away? If asked NOW, would you still think the same thing, or would you have to go back and read what you posted so you would know what to think?
Would you now portray him as completely capable of tweeting since you saw a picture of him with a phone, just like when you see Trump with a phone and KNOW he completely capable?

Like I said, I made a point at that time then moved on. You keep talking about it so you can talk shit. Again, we get it.

You are spinning off on a tangent because you can't speak to the actual topic.
Kettle fallacy. Proof by assertion fallacy. Slippery slope fallacy. Petitio principii. Plurium interrogationum. Fault generalization. Argument from anecdote. Thought-terminating cliche`. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

You think Trump lies? Buck? Spokey? Me? You think we are telling misinformation?

You've used them all and more in your arguments, instead of just supporting your claims.
Probably put more effort into NOT answering than you would have if you just answered.

Says you.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Sorry bud, but the number of civil trials that are decided by a jury is in the range of 1%.
The number of Federal criminal trials decided by a jury is in the range of 5%.
I would suggest that neither number is anywhere CLOSE to a "majority".

All of that typing, and all of those words, yet you completely failed to address the list of points I specifically (and multiple times) asked you to address.
Yet, you accuse me of "changing the argument". Ironic.
How about you stop "changing the argument" and answer the questions that are directly related to the argument? Here, I'll ask them again so you don't have to look them up:
1. PLEASE provide your analysis of the numbers that shows the reduction in 2020 did not have anything to do with COVID, and that the other analysts are wrong. Share your datasets, and the whys and hows of reaching your conclusion.
2. Explain WHY you think such a radical change under Trump is an "outlier", yet a less radical change of similar data under Biden is an indicator that he is a failure regarding the same situation.
3. Please tell us more about how all Democrats I (or anyone else) vote for are "all attorneys". Tell us more about attorneys in general and how they are all scumbags. Tell us the the balance of Republican vs Democrat attorneys in the US. Here's a reference to help you: https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu...edir=1&article=2446&context=law_and_economics
4. Tell us more about how Democrats are more violent than Republicans. Reconcile your analysis with these studies that show a different conclusion. Use the same datasets and tell us where their research and analysis got it wrong: https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/...-states-and-damage-to-our-democracy-pub-87584
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Aggression-and-party-affiliation-Republicans-were-significantly-more-aggressive-than_fig2_221980088#:~:text=Rather, Republicans are somewhat more,33, p 0 0.020).
"Republicans are somewhat more aggressive than average, while Democrats are somewhat less aggressive than average (the difference between Democrats and Independents was significant in the other direction — Mann-Whitney U test: Z 0 2.32, N =54,33, p 0 0.020)"
"From 2017 when their tracking begins, support for political violence rises across several measures prior to the midterm elections and declines after the elections. It also spikes (especially for Republicans) around then-President Trump’s first impeachment, and again drops afterward. Support for violence from 2017 through the summer of 2020 is generally quite close across parties but somewhat higher for Democrats, though as I’ll show later, actual incidents of violence are far higher for Republicans."




No kidding? You mean like an attorney doing whatever they can do within the law to win their case?
Or are you suggesting that a business/businessman will always do what is best for the customer, even at their own business expense?
For example, Bill's Audio Installs will tell you to go to Best Buy to get your head unit b/c they are offering free install, and Bill's has to charge to meet their overhead costs? Cool. I suppose Trump took a pass on business deals that could have made him a profit because there were others that needed the profit more? His goal was to be a nice guy and just help others instead of making his own profit?
What happened with the bankruptcies? Shouldn't he have continued funding the businesses so that the workers, creditors, customers, etc, could all benefit from his business benevolence?

Yeah it sounds utterly ridiculous, because it is utterly ridiculous to think business exists for reasons other than to profit. Sorry if I don't believe the fantasy that business exists to do what is best for the customer.

Dude, now your pulling info that does not touch on the conversation. Then again, you are a true democrat with severe TDS. Why would I expect different.

Many of the civic court hearings are settled without a jury, but if it is not settled, it will then go to a jury. Heck, I have been involved with a lot of different court hearings, so I am quite familiar with it. If you haven't been keeping up with me, I actually work in a court building quite often. I was over there just this morning and mentioned your comment to the DA and a couple other attorneys. One suggested for you to get some help.

Even though you don't have a response to the other 9 reason Trump is better, I'll answer your 4 questions.

1. Proof was already shown to you, and why dwell on just one year. Personally, I feel COVID might have something to do with the lower numbers, but what about the other years? 2021, we were still in lockdown, and it was higher than Trumps years. As for proof of the facts that, under Biden, illegal border crossings have more than doubled, here's a government site that shows the stats, so please stop trying to defend Biden on this. You are the only one in the US that is. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
2. I'm not sure what you are referring to here, but if you're referring to my question #2, then either you never go outside and are stuck in your mom's basement, or you are just trying to avoid the truth. I don't think I need to prove to you that inflation is way worse under Biden.
3. Not sure what you were trying to show us with that link, but I'll answer your question. I'll just go with the last few: Biden, Obama, and both Clintons are attorneys. On top of that, they are democrats. Trump, and both Bushes were businessmen, and Reagan an actor.
4. You link is so left leaning that it should be laying in a blue field. Now, use some common sense and research all the past riots during the Trump admin. and Biden admin. What party affiliation did those rioters have? J6, only one person died, and that was by a cop. No bystanders were ripped out of cars and beaten, no buildings were burned down, no buildings were completely looted, nobody was rapped, and it was over before the end of the day so Congress can return and continue their meeting. Come on man!!! now you're just trying to make yourself believe you're still right. You know darn well that the democrats have caused for violence and destruction than the republicans.

As for Trumps indictments? You seem to be a pro with law. Since when is someone guilty until proven innocent? So far, all of these indictments have failed.

If you want to believe people are guilty until proven innocent, then why are you not damning Biden for his alleged crooked deals with Hunter? Why are you not made about the alleged affairs Clinton was having with underaged girls on Epstein's island?

This proves that your are have a "one-track" mind and will do whatever it takes to cover up for your team. Be honest with yourself and admit that you are blind to what reality is and only choose to see what you want.

30,000+ lies that was posted by a far leftwing media group. Yeah, one of the lies was him Trump stating he showed up to a meeting and accidentally stated the wrong day. Damn that man for not remembering his entire calendar for the past 15 years. One of the lies was also him forgetting someone name. Well, at least when he stated he spoke to the person, it was a time when that person was actually alive.

Forget about Biden's lies, like him marching MKJ, being born in the same hospital as his uncle, saying his son died in the war with Iraq, America's economy is better now than it has ever been, and claims the republicans are blocking him from securing the border.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I'm actually listening to a conservative critique of the social justice (woke) movement. The main issue with the social justice movement is it ignores objective facts and you just construct a "reality" to fit your narrative ignoring all facts contrary to your political proclivities. This is how you end up with feminists & LGBTQxyz movements supporting Hamas & the Houthis, who would at best strip these social justice warriors of their rights if not kill them in inhuman ways.

Yet this conservative commentator hasn't commented on the conservative conspiracy theory movement, which is the right wing version of social justice. Many on the right are totally willing to ignore reality if it doesn't fit their narrative. I've seen woke warriors say Floyd Mayweather should be allowed to box as woman if he "believes" he's a woman. Clearly that belief has no basis in reality.

I don't see our current political problems/divide as a left/right issue, but more of a problem that so many people on both sides willfully ignore facts. If people would accept that facts are facts rather than create their own realities from gossamer politics would return to the center.

I believe this to be correct. However, the biggest issue with politics is how far each news outlet leans. News is no longer fair. They will not tell you both sides of a story, but instead tell you what they want you to hear. There are a few that will speak the truth, but then get canned for it. If the news was fair and told the entire story, on both sides, then politicians wouldn't think they can get away with everything.

For the life of me, I can't remember the book that talks about how to destroy and control a nation. However, here are the talking points it had:

• Remove the middle class and push them to the lower class.
• Make the citizens reliant upon the government.
• Cause the people to trust the government and that there is no God.
• Cause animosity among the citizens.
• Have the people put more emotions in your cause.
• Have the people live in chaos.
• Have the people constantly live in fear of complete destruction.
• Have people fear their opponents only believe in moving forward to complete destruction.

 

[Old_Slapper]

This was more powerful than Paul Harvey ever thought it would be. Does this story sound familiar?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Dude, now your pulling info that does not touch on the conversation. Then again, you are a true democrat with severe TDS. Why would I expect different.

Many of the civic court hearings are settled without a jury, but if it is not settled, it will then go to a jury. Heck, I have been involved with a lot of different court hearings, so I am quite familiar with it. If you haven't been keeping up with me, I actually work in a court building quite often. I was over there just this morning and mentioned your comment to the DA and a couple other attorneys. One suggested for you to get some help.

Bahahahahahaha I'm sorry there's so much history here, this is too good

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I'm actually listening to a conservative critique of the social justice (woke) movement. The main issue with the social justice movement is it ignores objective facts and you just construct a "reality" to fit your narrative ignoring all facts contrary to your political proclivities. This is how you end up with feminists & LGBTQxyz movements supporting Hamas & the Houthis, who would at best strip these social justice warriors of their rights if not kill them in inhuman ways.

Yet this conservative commentator hasn't commented on the conservative conspiracy theory movement, which is the right wing version of social justice. Many on the right are totally willing to ignore reality if it doesn't fit their narrative. I've seen woke warriors say Floyd Mayweather should be allowed to box as woman if he "believes" he's a woman. Clearly that belief has no basis in reality.

I don't see our current political problems/divide as a left/right issue, but more of a problem that so many people on both sides willfully ignore facts. If people would accept that facts are facts rather than create their own realities from gossamer politics would return to the center.

That's what the Marxist playbook does is manipulate people with emotion. It's emotional warfare based on manipulating perceptions of events and history, and we're seeing the consequences of it everywhere, like people trying to change history and fundamental definitions of what things mean. That's also what evil does is invert the nature of reality, so it points us all downwards instead of upwards, so we can be more easily controlled like a bunch of f*cking emotional morons from idiocracy.

CIA runs the news is what I'm saying.

 

[Old_Slapper]

That's what the Marxist playbook does is manipulate people with emotion. It's emotional warfare based on manipulating perceptions of events and history, and we're seeing the consequences of it everywhere, like people trying to change history and fundamental definitions of what things mean. That's also what evil does is invert the nature of reality, so it points us all downwards instead of upwards, so we can be more easily controlled like a bunch of f*cking emotional morons from idiocracy.

The Marxist book is one, but there was another author who wrote a book that gave examples of countries doing this and how it worked. One country, of course, was Russia. However, all the communist countries were listed on there.

It cracks me up when dems claim not to be communists and how republicans are the real communists and socialists. At the same time, democrats vote and celebrate new laws that allows the government to control them, such as socialized medicine. Hey dems, guess what? Socialized medicine is socialism. Socialism is the start of communism. Look it up. If you notice, republicans fight for less government control.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I think what we're facing from a global perspective is more akin to the 4th Reich, largely due to military-corporate/NGO technology and influence, but society has changed so much that idk how you can equally compare 100 years ago or whatever philosophy to anything now. The biggest threat is the technocratic transhumanists, the AI worshippers, IMO.

 

[Speed Chaser]

Answer the questions. Provide the proofs to back up your claims.
Still waiting for you to stop changing the argument.

If you are incapable, maybe arguing the topic isn't something you should have delved into.

cool story waiting for you to get help for your TDS and show proof