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[Buck 5,000+ posts]

@RobGMN

Who said Rogan took horse dewormer? That is an ignorant statement and you keep making it. You have been corrected on this a few times now. His Doctors have stated it wasn't horse medicine, he has stated it wasn't horse medicine and it has been explained what Ivermectin is, how often it is prescribed for HUMANS. So tell us Rob, which is more likely, he took a horse pill because that is what you heard or that his DOCTOR prescribed him a medication in the proper dosage for use by humans?

When you make ignorant statements like that when people know the truth it shows your biased hatred. Why do you hate Joe Rogan? Is it because he is successful? Has a show? People like him? What's the deal?

NIH -

"Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug."

See man, this is what happens when the media is corrupt, and the news is brought to you by big pharma, and the gov is censoring real info by controlling social media companies. They lied and lied and lied about any treatments of covid besides the vaccines and some big pharma pills like Remdesivir and what not, so you have people like Rob parroting all these incorrect points. They all lied about it to control people’s minds into thinking their products were the only ones that would work.

So, you can see how genuinely fake news propagated to the masses by the controlled media has caused people just to ignore or misunderstand some real science and facts. All of these lies propagated for so long by the media, instilling fear within the minds of the masses, has caused such division between us, the people. The real enemy is those creating bioweapons, lying to us about everything surrounding that, and the people who profit money and power from creating these whole pandemics, from the diseases themselves, to planning the whole medical response rolled out to the entire world as a warfare type program.

We all have to realize what’s been done, so when the next pandemic comes, we won’t fall for the same tricks and lies, and won’t battle with our fellow citizens and instead care about people, instead of us battling over mainstream lies.

Another planned pandemic is coming, so are we all gonna do this thing where we get divided and battle each other, or are we going to actually battle the people who are running this whole bioweapons / world healthcare takeover for the highly corrupt United Nations? They want to divide and conquer the people, instead of us the people coming together and realizing your fellow neighbor isn’t your enemy, but is mostly just like you. They keep lying and dividing the minds, so when do we stop falling for it and see WHO the real enemies and danger to our lives are? No matter what you think about vaccines or treatments or anything, these people created a bioweapon in a lab that killed many. That affected us all; killed people we loved, so who’s the real enemy? /rant

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I just googled why was the covid vax made (wasted my time yet again as I’ve seen from the cdc why it was developed). Why don’t you do it now and see for yourself . I’ll give you a hint, to allow your body to produce antibodies so if you get it, it reduces your chances of serious complications like being hospitalized or death.

You made very specific claims as to why it was created, including a reason that wasn't even known existed at the time they started working on it (long COVID).
A vaccine (ANY vaccine) is meant to teach your body to fight it BEFORE you actually get sick with it, not just to help you deal better if you DO get sick with it. Do you think we all still get polio, or measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, varicella, tetanus, etc, after getting vaccinated for them, and the vaccines just help us not get AS sick?
vaccine - a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products
immunity - the state or quality of being resistant to a particular infectious disease or pathogen..

When our immunity fights off pathogens, we don't GET sick from the pathogen. That's grade-school level medical science.

You are obviously making shit up as you go. If you're going to argue against the vax (or anyhting, for that matter), you should at least refer to factual info, and not crap you just make up to support your argument.

We arent talking about all vaccines, some actually can prevent you from being infected but it all depends on the virus. How are you not understanding this . The reason why you refuse to post a single thing stating as fact with numbers to support your claim that it prevents you from getting the virus and spreading it is simply cause it doesn’t exist.

I'm afraid there absolutely IS data that this vax (and many others) can help your body prevent the vax from infecting it:

CDC COVID-19 Study Shows mRNA Vaccines Reduce Risk of Infection by 91 Percent for Fully Vaccinated People: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html​

infected - affected with a disease-causing organism
"this study also is among the first to show that mRNA vaccination benefits people who get COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated"

Stanford might have some smart people: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/03/vaccine-covid-infection.html

New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597

A simple fact-check article (which addresses your claim almost word-for word):
The claim: The COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, so it can't protect others

Fact check: Vaccines protect against contracting, spreading COVID-19

While vaccinated people can still get COVID-19, experts say the shots provide considerable protection against the virus.

www.usatoday.com

Again breakthrough infections, that’s a person vaccinated still getting the virus. Now they don’t even talk about it cause so many of those have been seen and is why they longer will say it’s to prevent you from getting or spreading the virus. Vaccines work brother, just no one taking the covid vax is doing it to save others, it’s to potentially save themselves. You said above that’s why it’s a persons choice to be vaxed. Then why mandate it? Why mandate something you know won’t stop it in its tracks? It’s simple, it’s cause it all become political. Now, not even the Biden administration cares about it . I’m gonna do you a favor though since I’m in a good mood. I know the virtue you are clinging to is very important to you. I want to thank you for being so brave as a man, taking that awful needle in your arm just for me and everyone else here and all over the world. Even though I had covid and i was fine, maybe I wouldn’t have been if it wasn’t for you. Thank you for that, and I hope others in this thread will also do the same .

The study and your claim isn't about breakthrough infections. It's about people not getting sick with COVID at all due to being vaxxed. Stop moving goalposts as your argument gets refuted.

I never gave a reason WHY the vax was a choice. That is you trying to put words in my mouth. But the vax WAS a choice before, as it is now. Did I choose to get it, even though I didn't have to? I sure did. My reasons were two-fold: The bodies were piling up, including people in my own family, and I have a strong desire to live. But I also have older people in my family who I could not simply socially distance from, and I didn't want to risk being a carrier who infected them and killed them. They in turn were happy to get vaxxed with the goal being avoidance of getting sick and dying.

One simple rule of life is that if you want to look out for others, you must look out for yourself first. If you are incapacitated, you are not much help to anyone else. So as far as the "virtue discussion" goes (Jimi's correction of our use of the word "virtue" notwithstanding), it IS entirely possible to do something that benefits one's self but also benefits others.
The old phrase "Do it for yourself. Do it for others." comes to mind.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Funny you keep repeating that talking point...it's almost like you have no clue it's people medicine too...

You say "talking point" as if it's something that I made up.

As for Ivermectin, it sure was a "people medicine". it was "approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19"
COVID-19 is not a parasite. It is a variant on a virus we've known about for almost 60 years.

So, someone decided without any clinical proof that Ivermectin might be a good thing to take to fight off COVID. No doctors were prescribing it, and people were taking dosages made for animals, at levels approved for animals.
In desperation and fear, people were doing this, yet the same people railed against a vaccine developed by major pharmas and tested on multiple tens of thousands of people.
Go figure.

History of Ivermectin: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

@RobGMN

Who said Rogan took horse dewormer? That is an ignorant statement and you keep making it. You have been corrected on this a few times now. His Doctors have stated it wasn't horse medicine, he has stated it wasn't horse medicine and it has been explained what Ivermectin is, how often it is prescribed for HUMANS. So tell us Rob, which is more likely, he took a horse pill because that is what you heard or that his DOCTOR prescribed him a medication in the proper dosage for use by humans?

When you make ignorant statements like that when people know the truth it shows your biased hatred. Why do you hate Joe Rogan? Is it because he is successful? Has a show? People like him? What's the deal?

NIH -

"Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial impact in improving the lives and welfare of billions of people throughout the world. Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, it kills a wide range of internal and external parasites in commercial livestock and companion animals. It was quickly discovered to be ideal in combating two of the world’s most devastating and disfiguring diseases which have plagued the world’s poor throughout the tropics for centuries. It is now being used free-of-charge as the sole tool in campaigns to eliminate both diseases globally. It has also been used to successfully overcome several other human diseases and new uses for it are continually being found. This paper looks in depth at the events surrounding ivermectin’s passage from being a huge success in Animal Health into its widespread use in humans, a development which has led many to describe it as a “wonder” drug."

Joe Rogan himself said he took it. he posted it on Instagram after he got sick with COVID.
Did you forget that fact? It's kind of important if you are going to claim he never said it.
Here's a video of him saying it. He hasn't denied the accuracy of the video or said that it was a deepfake, and has even defended his use of the drug:

Watch it and tell me if I am wrong about him using and promoting the use of it.

National Institutes of Health (.gov)
What is ivermectin drug of choice for?
It is effective against a wide range of parasites, including gastrointestinal roundworms, lungworms, mites, lice and hornflies.
Mayo Clinic: "Ivermectin. The drug ivermectin, used to treat or prevent parasites in animals and in humans, isn't a drug used to treat viruses."
FDA: Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea.

IT ISN'T A DRUG USED TO TREAT VIRUSES.

So if a doctor prescribed it to combat a virus, the doctor is a hack. Much like your doc must be (the one you accuse of claiming there are no nerves in bones).

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's not just for horses. It's also a dog dewormer. It's also a human dewormer, used to treat head lice and some skin conditions.

Yes, and Minoxidil was developed for ulcers and hypertension.
But we all know it as the "hair regrowth" drug.

I will gladly call Ivermectin Ivermectin, but the term "horse dewormer" is used to indicate that the people who were taking it for COVID were doing something ridiculous. Kind of like taking a disinfectant internally. Of course, we all just said "bleach" instead of "disinfectant", because bleach is the most commonly known disinfectant.
If people started taking Viagra for their COVID, everyone would have been saying "hard-on pills" because that is what they are know for.

So yes, Joe Rogan took Ivermectin and promoted the use of Ivermectin, which is by far best known as an anti-parasitic drug for animals, but can also be used as an anti-parasitic in humans. When prescribed for its intended use, it is a pretty darn uncommon prescription in the US. Because of that, it gets derided as "horse dewormer" when talking about the uneducated use of it for treating COVID.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

As for Ivermectin, it sure was a "people medicine". it was "approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19"
COVID-19 is not a parasite. It is a variant on a virus we've known about for almost 60 years

Ok...so you know it's people medicine...that means you're being dishonest and spinning to fit you your narrative

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

See man, this is what happens when the media is corrupt, and the news is brought to you by big pharma, and the gov is censoring real info by controlling social media companies. They lied and lied and lied about any treatments of covid besides the vaccines and some big pharma pills like Remdesivir and what not, so you have people like Rob parroting all these incorrect points. They all lied about it to control people’s minds into thinking their products were the only ones that would work.

So, you can see how genuinely fake news propagated to the masses by the controlled media has caused people just to ignore or misunderstand some real science and facts. All of these lies propagated for so long by the media, instilling fear within the minds of the masses, has caused such division between us, the people. The real enemy is those creating bioweapons, lying to us about everything surrounding that, and the people who profit money and power from creating these whole pandemics, from the diseases themselves, to planning the whole medical response rolled out to the entire world as a warfare type program.

We all have to realize what’s been done, so when the next pandemic comes, we won’t fall for the same tricks and lies, and won’t battle with our fellow citizens and instead care about people, instead of us battling over mainstream lies.

Another planned pandemic is coming, so are we all gonna do this thing where we get divided and battle each other, or are we going to actually battle the people who are running this whole bioweapons / world healthcare takeover for the highly corrupt United Nations? They want to divide and conquer the people, instead of us the people coming together and realizing your fellow neighbor isn’t your enemy, but is mostly just like you. They keep lying and dividing the minds, so when do we stop falling for it and see WHO the real enemies and danger to our lives are? No matter what you think about vaccines or treatments or anything, these people created a bioweapon in a lab that killed many. That affected us all; killed people we loved, so who’s the real enemy? /rant

You need more tinfoil for your hat, bud.
They "lied and lied" about an anti-parasitic not being effective at fighting a virus?

Show us the efficacy trials that prove Ivermectin is good for treating (not preventing) COVID.

Since the government, big pharma, the lizard people, the deep state, et al, are all going to falsify any tests they do, show us the efficacy trials done by the people who are actually PROMOTING any of these products.
Show us the trails that prove Ivermectin was effective in preventing or treating COVID.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Ok...so you know it's people medicine...that means you're being dishonest and spinning to fit you your narrative

I'd say "nice try", but it's a fail on your part. You didn't even try.
As usual.

Ivermectin is indeed a horse dewormer.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Ivermectin:

‘Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses.’

‘Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses.’

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen - The Journal of Antibiotics

Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses. In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of...

www.nature.com

Ivermectin clearly has anti-viral effects.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I'd say "nice try", but it's a fail on your part. You didn't even try.
As usual.

Ivermectin is indeed a horse dewormer.

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When given to horses...yes it is...when prescribed to a human...it's spin...definitely can tell where you get your "unbiased" talking points from though

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Ivermectin:

‘Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses.’

‘Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses.’

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen - The Journal of Antibiotics

Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses. In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of...

www.nature.com

Ivermectin clearly has anti-viral effects.

Except it hasn't been proved in vivo.
Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Despite this promise, the antiviral activity of ivermectin has not been consistently proven in vivo.

Ivermectin: an award-winning drug with expected antiviral activity against COVID-19 - PMC

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Despite this promise, the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[djdilliodon!]

You made very specific claims as to why it was created, including a reason that wasn't even known existed at the time they started working on it (long COVID).
A vaccine (ANY vaccine) is meant to teach your body to fight it BEFORE you actually get sick with it, not just to help you deal better if you DO get sick with it. Do you think we all still get polio, or measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, varicella, tetanus, etc, after getting vaccinated for them, and the vaccines just help us not get AS sick?
vaccine - a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products
immunity - the state or quality of being resistant to a particular infectious disease or pathogen..

When our immunity fights off pathogens, we don't GET sick from the pathogen. That's grade-school level medical science.

You are obviously making shit up as you go. If you're going to argue against the vax (or anyhting, for that matter), you should at least refer to factual info, and not crap you just make up to support your argument.



I'm afraid there absolutely IS data that this vax (and many others) can help your body prevent the vax from infecting it:

CDC COVID-19 Study Shows mRNA Vaccines Reduce Risk of Infection by 91 Percent for Fully Vaccinated People: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html​

infected - affected with a disease-causing organism
"this study also is among the first to show that mRNA vaccination benefits people who get COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated"

Stanford might have some smart people: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/03/vaccine-covid-infection.html

New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597

A simple fact-check article (which addresses your claim almost word-for word):
The claim: The COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, so it can't protect others

Fact check: Vaccines protect against contracting, spreading COVID-19

While vaccinated people can still get COVID-19, experts say the shots provide considerable protection against the virus.

www.usatoday.com

The study and your claim isn't about breakthrough infections. It's about people not getting sick with COVID at all due to being vaxxed. Stop moving goalposts as your argument gets refuted.

I never gave a reason WHY the vax was a choice. That is you trying to put words in my mouth. But the vax WAS a choice before, as it is now. Did I choose to get it, even though I didn't have to? I sure did. My reasons were two-fold: The bodies were piling up, including people in my own family, and I have a strong desire to live. But I also have older people in my family who I could not simply socially distance from, and I didn't want to risk being a carrier who infected them and killed them. They in turn were happy to get vaxxed with the goal being avoidance of getting sick and dying.

One simple rule of life is that if you want to look out for others, you must look out for yourself first. If you are incapacitated, you are not much help to anyone else. So as far as the "virtue discussion" goes (Jimi's correction of our use of the word "virtue" notwithstanding), it IS entirely possible to do something that benefits one's self but also benefits others.
The old phrase "Do it for yourself. Do it for others." comes to mind.

Unfortunately Rob it isn’t 2021 anymore. As more data becomes available, they learn more about it. I’m sure when they first started that was the goal, to prevent people from getting it, it was even said in the beginning of you got vaxxed you wouldn’t get it. It’s now 2023, that is no longer said, no longer listed as a benefit, just like that study from the cdc. NY state and every other state kept track of breakthrough infections but no longer does since the emergency has ended. In NY alone they recorded almost 3 million breakthrough infections. That number is way higher as most don’t even go to places to get tested anymore and do it at home. I’m realistic, I’m sure when you got vaxed you did it cause of the information at the time, but the reality is the vaccine isn’t very good at preventing someone from getting the virus. The amount of breakthrough cases proves that and so does the current listed benefits. You search now and read any recent Info and it’s solely marketed as reducing risk of hospitalization, death, (and from research over time) reduce the risk of long covid. I made the choice not to get it as I wanted to let time pass. Then they mandated, I will still good for awhile until it reached my 9-5 on a technicality cause we are w federal contractor. My job slow walked it and allowed religious exemptions but slow walked that part too and then it all ended. I had covid and the government didn’t want hear about natural immunity. My point in all this is it should of been a choice, I understand if it was something that is 99-100% effective from preventing you getting the virus but it’s not. It’s an airborne virus that is highly contagious, it’s different from other viruses just like the flu. It’s why these viruses won’t ever be eradicated.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

When given to horses...yes it is...when prescribed to a human...it's spin...definitely can tell where you get your "unbiased" talking points from though

When it's taken to fight something that it doesn't fight, then you refer to it as what it's intended for.

Drink edible suntan lotion to help soothe your heartburn, and people are likely going to say you are drinking "Coppertone".
Take an anti-parasitic to prevent or cure COVID, and people are going to say you are taking "horse dewormer".
It underscores the stupidity of people who decry medical science, yet think they are smart enough to figure out how to cure or prevent disease on their own.

Avoid a vaccine, but be sure to: drink bleach, take Ivermectin, drink urine, pray to god, inhale hydrogen peroxide, use red soap to wash your hands for better cleaning, gargle with saltwater to kill the virus, use a USB "5G bioshield" memory stick, rub your hands with volcanic ash, be sure to use only white tissues and handkerchiefs, take a mix of amphetamines/cocaine/nicotine, drink ethanol.

Yeah, these are all actual treatments/preventatives that people used and even sold.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Unfortunately Rob it isn’t 2021 anymore. As more data becomes available, they learn more about it. I’m sure when they first started that was the goal, to prevent people from getting it, it was even said in the beginning of you got vaxxed you wouldn’t get it. It’s now 2023, that is no longer said, no longer listed as a benefit, just like that study from the cdc. NY state and every other state kept track of breakthrough infections but no longer does since the emergency has ended. In NY alone they recorded almost 3 million breakthrough infections. That number is way higher as most don’t even go to places to get tested anymore and do it at home. I’m realistic, I’m sure when you got vaxed you did it cause of the information at the time, but the reality is the vaccine isn’t very good at preventing someone from getting the virus. The amount of breakthrough cases proves that and so does the current listed benefits. You search now and read any recent Info and it’s solely marketed as reducing risk of hospitalization, death, (and from research over time) reduce the risk of long covid. I made the choice not to get it as I wanted to let time pass. Then they mandated, I will still good for awhile until it reached my 9-5 on a technicality cause we are w federal contractor. My job slow walked it and allowed religious exemptions but slow walked that part too and then it all ended. I had covid and the government didn’t want hear about natural immunity. My point in all this is it should of been a choice, I understand if it was something that is 99-100% effective from preventing you getting the virus but it’s not. It’s an airborne virus that is highly contagious, it’s different from other viruses just like the flu. It’s why these viruses won’t ever be eradicated.

It wa a choice all along. Not sure why you think it wasn't.

And you're right about it not being 2021. Here is the breakthrough data. It sure looks that he unvaccinated were always wrose off than the vaccinated.
Coincidence?

So, you refused the vax and got COVID. Interesting. Far too small a sample to make a conclusion from obviously, but interesting. I have a rather large immdiate family. All vaxxed. Only three got COVID.
Still a small sampling, but it points ina direction, especially when we heard of unvaxxed families suffering devastating losses as they all got COVID and shared with each other.

The chart above talks in terms of "per 100,000", That a pretty significant statistical sampling. And it seems to point in the direction that the vax was pretty effective, especially when things took a major spike in late 2021.

 

[djdilliodon!]

It wa a choice all along. Not sure why you think it wasn't.

And you're right about it not being 2021. Here is the breakthrough data. It sure looks that he unvaccinated were always wrose off than the vaccinated.
Coincidence?
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So, you refused the vax and got COVID. Interesting. Far too small a sample to make a conclusion from obviously, but interesting. I have a rather large immdiate family. All vaxxed. Only three got COVID.
Still a small sampling, but it points ina direction, especially when we heard of unvaxxed families suffering devastating losses as they all got COVID and shared with each other.

The chart above talks in terms of "per 100,000", That a pretty significant statistical sampling. And it seems to point in the direction that the vax was pretty effective, especially when things took a major spike in late 2021.

Your chart is showing case hospitalization, death rates. That is different and is what the vaccine is best used against, Not getting infected. If we are talking personal experience, my neighbors im close to all 3 got vaxed and all 3 got covid. My mom and my sister got vaxed and both got covid. I didn’t get vaxed and got covid. Plenty of people at my job I know got vaxed that didn’t want to deal with the religious exemptions got covid. Heck nearly 3 million people in NY got vaxed got covid. It wasn’t a choice for many as people lost their jobs over this, people couldn’t do certain things unless they got vaccinated. I made my choice and have no regrets. I was sick for 2 days and while being sick was doing the setup in my demo car . I’ve had the flu before way worse that left me in bed delirious for 7 days. The good news is this crap is over and no one really cares about it anymore. I truly feel it became way too political and it’s about time both sides are moving on from it.