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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Overall, a Pew Research Center survey conducted late last year found that about one-in-five Americans (18%) has participated in the food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. About a quarter (26%) lives in a household with a current or former food stamp recipient.

Of these, about one-in-five (22%) of Democrats say they had received food stamps compared with 10% of Republicans. About 17% of political independents say they have received food stamps.

That’s a poll of the people, not an accounting of how much money goes to each state. Just because 75% of people surveyed say lizard people are real, it doesn’t mean they are.
Just because YOU believe something is real, doesn’t mean it is.

Keep failing. Don’t forget my chocolate shake with my Whopper.

November 2022 data:

• 7 of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting, with the average red state receiving $1.05 per dollar spent.
• Twenty-nine states sent more to the federal government than they received, compared to just nine states in 2021.
• Of the states that sent more than they received, 52% were Democrat-voting and 48% were Republican-voting.

Federal spending data, not a poll of people who’d never want to admit they’re on welfare: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

In 2022, 41.2 million people were on SNAP as reported by FNS. That’s 12% of the population, not the 18% your quoted survey indicates.
Try dealing with facts, delivery boy.

Kentucky: 2nd most federally dependent state in 2018. Red.
““For every dollar a Kentuckian gives, they’re actually getting $2.61 back so that’s a really good return on their federal investment,” she said. “

Kentucky is Second Most Dependent State on Federal Money

Kentucky is ranked the second most federally dependent state in the nation.A recent study by WalletHub looked at two key factors: state government…

www.wkyufm.org

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That’s a poll of the people, not an accounting of how much money goes to each state. Just because 75% of people surveyed say lizard people are real, it doesn’t mean they are.
Just because YOU believe something is real, doesn’t mean it is.

Keep failing. Don’t forget my chocolate shake with my Whopper.

November 2022 data:

• 7 of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting, with the average red state receiving $1.05 per dollar spent.
• Twenty-nine states sent more to the federal government than they received, compared to just nine states in 2021.
• Of the states that sent more than they received, 52% were Democrat-voting and 48% were Republican-voting.

Federal spending data, not a poll of people who’d never want to admit they’re on welfare: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

In 2022, 41.2 million people were on SNAP as reported by FNS. That’s 12% of the population, not the 18% your quoted survey indicates.
Try dealing with facts, delivery boy.

Kentucky: 2nd most federally dependent state in 2018. Red.
““For every dollar a Kentuckian gives, they’re actually getting $2.61 back so that’s a really good return on their federal investment,” she said. “

Kentucky is Second Most Dependent State on Federal Money

Kentucky is ranked the second most federally dependent state in the nation.A recent study by WalletHub looked at two key factors: state government…

www.wkyufm.org

Actually, I think we may have it wrong about those states that are net takers of federal funds. Rather looking at them through the lens of Red vs Blue, I noticed that those states getting net Federal dollars also tend to rank really low in education. Maybe it's "stupid states are net receivers of Federal Funds..."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Are Republican States More Federally Dependent?

A new report reveals the great variation of federal dependency across the states. But drawing the line between federal and state responsibility is not easy.

www.governing.com

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Instead of looking at state...look at population densities and you'd have a more realistic stat to argue with...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

That’s a poll of the people, not an accounting of how much money goes to each state. Just because 75% of people surveyed say lizard people are real, it doesn’t mean they are.
Just because YOU believe something is real, doesn’t mean it is.

Keep failing. Don’t forget my chocolate shake with my Whopper.

November 2022 data:

• 7 of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting, with the average red state receiving $1.05 per dollar spent.
• Twenty-nine states sent more to the federal government than they received, compared to just nine states in 2021.
• Of the states that sent more than they received, 52% were Democrat-voting and 48% were Republican-voting.

Federal spending data, not a poll of people who’d never want to admit they’re on welfare: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

In 2022, 41.2 million people were on SNAP as reported by FNS. That’s 12% of the population, not the 18% your quoted survey indicates.
Try dealing with facts, delivery boy.

Kentucky: 2nd most federally dependent state in 2018. Red.
““For every dollar a Kentuckian gives, they’re actually getting $2.61 back so that’s a really good return on their federal investment,” she said. “

Kentucky is Second Most Dependent State on Federal Money

Kentucky is ranked the second most federally dependent state in the nation.A recent study by WalletHub looked at two key factors: state government…

www.wkyufm.org

You are right, asking people questions is a waste of time. After all, people have no idea about anything. Let's base it off the assigned color of a state. THOSE numbers can't be fiddled with to get the result needed for an agenda.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Instead of looking at state...look at population densities and you'd have a more realistic stat to argue with...

The numbers are calculated on a per capital basis.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You are right, asking people questions is a waste of time. After all, people have no idea about anything. Let's base it off the assigned color of a state. THOSE numbers can't be fiddled with to get the result needed for an agenda.

So you’re now saying that they’re lying about whether a state votes primarily democrat or primarily republican?

If THAT is the case, then the electoral vote that put Trump in office was a complete sham and his presidency should not have happened.
Continuing that logic, EVERY republican presidency should have been Democrat, and every Democrat presidency should have been Republican.

Are you SURE that’s the conspiracy you want to run with in order to deny who takes the most welfare?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Instead of looking at state...look at population densities and you'd have a more realistic stat to argue with...

I brought that up too - it's a cities vs rural kinda issue. Ironically as I mentioned earlier, perhaps one should look at it through a lens other than a blue vs red one. I'm pretty sure we see that more densely populated cities tend to be better educated, so we're seeing money flow from the educated to the uneducated. It's a combination of factors; federal dollars tend to flow from bluish areas to reddish areas and federal dollars tend to flow from educated to uneducated areas and federal dollars tend to flow from high density population centers to rural areas.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The numbers are calculated on a per capital basis.

Per Capita doesn't = population density. Ie (Blue) NY is way more densely populated than (red) Mississippi.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So you’re now saying that they’re lying about whether a state votes primarily democrat or primarily republican?

If THAT is the case, then the electoral vote that put Trump in office was a complete sham and his presidency should not have happened.
Continuing that logic, EVERY republican presidency should have been Democrat, and every Democrat presidency should have been Republican.

Are you SURE that’s the conspiracy you want to run with in order to deny who takes the most welfare?

Why do you ask questions? Did you read me saying that? You are yet again making a statement asking a question about a statement that was never made so you can setup your response.

How do you claim to track down fraud when you can't even follow the topic of the conversation??? The topic is people getting assistance.

You probably fail as a secretary as well.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Considering the turnout rate isn't anywhere in the ball park 100%...voting stats are iffy at best in determining the true political beliefs of the entirety of any one state...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why do you ask questions? Did you read me saying that? You are yet again making a statement asking a question about a statement that was never made so you can setup your response.

How do you claim to track down fraud when you can't even follow the topic of the conversation??? The topic is people getting assistance.

You probably fail as a secretary as well.

It’s rhetorical, dummy. You said “Let's base it off the assigned color of a state. THOSE numbers can't be fiddled with to get the result needed for an agenda. ”

That’s a direct inference that what is currently known and reported as the political leanings of states is in some way false, because they have been “fiddled with”. If that is the case, then red states are blue and blue states are red. It’s one or the other.

Do YOU even know what the hell you mean when you type your drivel on this thread?

If you DIDN’T want to say that the red/blue assignments are incorrect due to “fiddling”, then exactly what DID you want to say? Perhaps that “they” change the states political “color” at will as needed, and no one has noticed?

Don’t backpedal or tap dance around it. What did you MEAN when you said “Let's base it off the assigned color of a state. THOSE numbers can't be fiddled with to get the result needed for an agenda. ”?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It’s rhetorical, dummy. You said “Let's base it off the assigned color of a state. THOSE numbers can't be fiddled with to get the result needed for an agenda. ”

That’s a direct inference that what is currently known and reported as the political leanings of states is in some way false, because they have been “fiddled with”. If that is the case, then red states are blue and blue states are red. It’s one or the other.

Do YOU even know what the hell you mean when you type your drivel on this thread?

If you DIDN’T want to say that the red/blue assignments are incorrect due to “fiddling”, then exactly what DID you want to say?

Don’t backpedal or tap dance around it. What did you MEAN when you said “Let's base it off the assigned color of a state. THOSE numbers can't be fiddled with to get the result needed for an agenda. ”?

Just stop. I know you claim it to be rhetorical, you claim it everytime but we all know you do it so you can say some irrelevant shit. Just talk shit if that is your goal. You don't need to hide behind the claim that it is rhetorical.

The "color" of the STATE has NOTHING to do with the political background of the people getting assistance which is why the color of the state shouldn't be used. You see a chart that says Red states use the most assistance. Let's go back in time as you like to do. History shows that Democrats are more than twice as likely to receive assistance. So when you see a "red" state using more assistance than a "blue" state history can be used to conclude that the majority of democrats in that red state are probably using assistance more than the republicans in that state.

You use it because it makes it look like Republicans mooch off the government more when in reality it is your own party. Now, go lick the underside of a pigs nutz.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Just stop. I know you claim it to be rhetorical, you claim it everytime but we all know you do it so you can say some irrelevant shit. Just talk shit if that is your goal. You don't need to hide behind the claim that it is rhetorical.

The "color" of the STATE has NOTHING to do with the political background of the people getting assistance which is why the color of the state shouldn't be used. You see a chart that says Red states use the most assistance. Let's go back in time as you like to do. History shows that Democrats are more than twice as likely to receive assistance. So when you see a "red" state using more assistance than a "blue" state history can be used to conclude that the majority of democrats in that red state are probably using assistance more than the republicans in that state.

You use it because it makes it look like Republicans mooch off the government more when in reality it is your own party. Now, go lick the underside of a pigs nutz.

So NOW you think history is an important factor when it comes to economics? What happened to your cries of “here and now”?

Regardless, the FACT is that the color of a state ABSOLUTELY is an indicator of the political leanings of that state.
If you want to argue otherwise, then you’re saying that all of bullshit you’ve posted about “Democrat cities” is indeed bullshit.
You can’t have it both ways.

So do this for me: show me how the states listings by political affiliation (red or blue) do NOT indicate the political leanings of the people in those states. Start with Kentucky. Show me they are not a red state.

Then show me how 7:10 of the top “taker” states do NOT lean politically Republican or “red”.
Use facts, not feelings, beliefs, Twitter, YouTube, op-Ed pieces, etc.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So NOW you think history is an important factor when it comes to economics? What happened to your cries of “here and now”?

Regardless, the FACT is that the color of a state ABSOLUTELY is an indicator of the political leanings of that state.
If you want to argue otherwise, then you’re saying that all of bullshit you’ve posted about “Democrat cities” is indeed bullshit.
You can’t have it both ways.

So do this for me: show me how the states listings by political affiliation (red or blue) do NOT indicate the political leanings of the people in those states. Start with Kentucky. Show me they are not a red state.

Then show me how 7:10 of the top “taker” states do NOT lean politically Republican or “red”.
Use facts, not feelings, beliefs, Twitter, YouTube, op-Ed pieces, etc.

You definitely have a relaxed brain.

Me using history in this context is for your benefit.

The color of the state "Political Affiliation" has NOTHING to do with who is getting assistance in that state. YOU have no idea if the person getting assistance is Democrat or Republican. All you have is information stating that more people in a red state are getting assistance. Show us the undeniable factual proof that the people getting assistance in the "red" state are Republicans.

That is where YOUR wont for use of historical facts can help us all here. History shows Democrats use more assistance and it is prudent to assume they still do as people don't change.