Winners only.

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Liberals sure seem reeally good with those anarchist groups...so yep I'd call them liberal...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

And Hitler was a socialist so by our political standards his would be left wing ideology...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I can agree with this on one level, but on another level it just goes to state legislatures to debate now. States will have debates about laws and some will make stupid decisions, of which voters have some control over state to state. its not really the end to constitutional rights. Some people will be affected by this, no doubt, but the sky isn’t falling. If all 50 states have issues with abortion being illegal, it could still end up being legal in all 50 states. It will just have to be debated state to state like marijuana legalization is now. Maybe some state legislature will figure out a good adoption system that works to limit abortion. Medical procedures to remove a baby from the womb, yet still allow the baby to live and relieve the mother of responsibility might become a thing. Liberals are going to need to learn to debate better now, rather than standing around a street corner with a witty sign and complaining on social media.

Personally, I have no issue with it being a state issue. As a matter of fact in many ways that looks like an ideal solution. However, our legal system is based on English Common Law, so inevitably, legal interpretations bleed from one state to the next, to the next, etc. So unfortunately, this isn't as simple as move or take a few days off and go to where it's legal because we may see the places where it is legal slowly (or quickly) dwindle.

However, I do have a problem with the new interpretation of abortion rights; specifically because Thomas has come out said this opens the door to striking down all sorts of (liberal) rights based on privacy/the 14th amendment. IMHO, we're about to enter an era of a very activist conservative USSC. I think we're going to see the 14th amendment applied, not applied or revoked based on where a particular right falls on the political spectrum.

I also take exception to Texas basically "deputizing" any and every citizen to enforce anti-abortion laws. IMHO, it's just a matter of time until this results in some wannabe cowboy cop shooting somebody over an abortion.

That said, I can't believe conservatives are turning away from Trump. Trump did more for conservatism than any POTUS since Reagan and he did it 4 years during a pandemic. By packing the court system with so many hard line conservative judges, he's guaranteed the GOP judicial power for decades. Conservative voters should be lined up around the block to kiss his hairy red arse.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The gop and true conservatives aren't one in the same

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Liberals sure seem reeally good with those anarchist groups...so yep I'd call them liberal...

Merely because 2 groups interest coincide for a moment in time doesn't make them one in the same. Did freeing all the Taliban fighters to fight ISIS (in Afghanistan) make Trump a member of the Taliban or make the Taliban freedom loving right wing 'mericans?

 

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

Personally, I have no issue with it being a state issue. As a matter of fact in many ways that looks like an ideal solution. However, our legal system is based on English Common Law, so inevitably, legal interpretations bleed from one state to the next, to the next, etc. So unfortunately, this isn't as simple as move or take a few days off and go to where it's legal because we may see the places where it is legal slowly (or quickly) dwindle.

However, I do have a problem with the new interpretation of abortion rights; specifically because Thomas has come out said this opens the door to striking down all sorts of (liberal) rights based on privacy/the 14th amendment. IMHO, we're about to enter an era of a very activist conservative USSC. I think we're going to see the 14th amendment applied, not applied or revoked based on where a particular right falls on the political spectrum.

I also take exception to Texas basically "deputizing" any and every citizen to enforce anti-abortion laws. IMHO, it's just a matter of time until this results in some wannabe cowboy cop shooting somebody over an abortion.

That said, I can't believe conservatives are turning away from Trump. Trump did more for conservatism than any POTUS since Reagan and he did it 4 years during a pandemic. By packing the court system with so many hard line conservative judges, he's guaranteed the GOP judicial power for decades. Conservative voters should be lined up around the block to kiss his hairy red arse.

This guy is dhs in the same way rob is a lawyer. Probably a janitor at a government building.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Merely because 2 groups interest coincide for a moment in time doesn't make them one in the same. Did freeing all the Taliban fighters to fight ISIS (in Afghanistan) make Trump a member of the Taliban or make the Taliban freedom loving right wing 'mericans?

That's not a true comparison...Democrat leaders including the vp organized bail funds for the rioters...Biden and dem leadership as a whole vocally endorsed the looting and city burning as a method of "peaceful" protest...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

This guy is dhs in the same way rob is a lawyer. Probably a janitor at a government building.

Yeah but he's no Will Hunting lol

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

What was ur series?

Without digging into the rest of the post, how in the world was abortion a constitutional right?

And please clarify how its involved with privacy rights?

What was my series???

Why the hell do you think conservatives have spent decades trying to put a pro-life justices in the Supreme Court? It's because they wanted what they finally got - they wanted Roe V Wade overturned and woman's constitutional right to choose struck down.

Woman have enjoyed unfettered abortion on demand for the better part of the last 50 years and done so because it was being protected by the courts. Roe v Wade found that abortion was protected by the Constitution, in particular the 1st, 4th, 9th & 14th amendments to the Constitution. Therefore, abortion became a Constitutional right. Now that the USSC has ruled on Dobbs/Mississippi vs Jackson Womens' Health Organization, abortion is no longer protected by the Constitution and is considered a matter for the State to decide.

Drawing on the First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments, the Court said that the Constitution protects an individual’s “zones of privacy.” Citing earlier cases that ruled that contraception, marriage, and child rearing were activities included in these “zones of privacy,” the Court found that the zone was “broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.”

Drawing on the First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments, the Court said that the Constitution protects an individual’s “zones of privacy.” Citing earlier cases that ruled that contraception, marriage, and child rearing were activities included in these “zones of privacy,” the Court found that the zone was “broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.”

The U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

Learn about the text, history, and meaning of the U.S. Constitution from leading scholars of diverse legal and philosophical perspectives.

constitutioncenter.org

BTW, you can cheer all you want about the end of the Constitutional right to abortion, but look at what I highlighted. Justice Thomas is well aware of this and has stated all manner of rights/privacies we now enjoy, including contraceptive choices and gay marriage and gay ***. Personally, I think other people's contraceptive choices and who they choose to have *** with and marry should be personal issues; clearly Justice Thomas would like to get the State involved in those decisions.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

This guy is dhs in the same way rob is a lawyer. Probably a janitor at a government building.

I don't insult you or others on the board, I'd appreciate the same in return.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

The federal court didn't ban or block anynody...the federal government only has purview over matters explicitly stated in the founding docs...that leaves abortion (and any health care in all honesty) to the states...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Present the data on the “tons and tons” of “horrible side effects”.

Provide a list of countries that have banned the vaccine.

Banned is one of those half-truths. You'll remember J&J was "banned" in the US for a few days. Astra/Zeneca was banned for a limited time and now is used with certain restrictions/guidelines. Outright banned forever, I'm pretty sure that's a really short list, so short that the list doesn't exist. If such a list truly exists, google either isn't aware of the list or is involved in a conspiracy to bury it 20 pages deep when I search for it....

The tons and tons of horrible side effects is another one of those half-truths. Download the VAERs report - literally hundreds of side effects and millions affected. Many of which could be considered horrible side effects - including some deaths (remember J&J killed ~3 people). However, when you start to look the horrible side effects of Covid vaccines compared to those same "side effects" in Covid patients, you find the Covid patients experience those same horrible side effects at much higher rates 10x, 100x....

I like to say half the facts leads to half @$$ed conclusions.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

The federal court didn't ban or block anynody...the federal government only has purview over matters explicitly stated in the founding docs...that leaves abortion (and any health care in all honesty) to the states...

That's clearly wrong. The federal gov't is peeking at my internet searches and "reading" your posts - clearly neither of these of activities were "explicitly stated in the founding docs." DHS is monitoring cell traffic and cell phones are something I doubt the founding fathers could even conceive. The Constitution and federal law is ever evolving otherwise blacks still couldn't vote and would be considered 3/5ths of a person as "explicitly stated in the founding docs."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Both of those are unconstitutional...the documents are only evolving when there's an constitutional convention brought together by the states...this "evolving" myth is why we have surveillance from the govt...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

That's not a true comparison...Democrat leaders including the vp organized bail funds for the rioters...Biden and dem leadership as a whole vocally endorsed the looting and city burning as a method of "peaceful" protest...

And Trump let Taliban fighters out of prison - sure sounds similar to bailing out rioters IMHO. As a matter of fact it's pretty easy to see how these actions lead to making things much worse in both situations and IMHO, it was pretty easy to see how it would turn out in the end.

That said I'm 110% against how Biden, Dem leadership and their cheerleaders on CNN and MSNBC handled the "peaceful" BLM protests. I fully supported Trumps use of Federal LE to quell rioting and arrest rioters. I also fully supported the police who were put in a pretty s#!++y damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. The BLM protesters can **** it as far as I'm concerned.