That is a very fair and valid point from a 3rd party perspective. And the only reason I asked was it's what I had and in a previous email was told to shoot him one when I was ready for another amp. So I did. Like I said. Cab 1600=best amp for 200$ I've had. Wish them nothing but the best and I'm pretty sure they will find a way to manage with out my money. My thing was being told to gtfo. That's all. At the end of the day of we were all together and had a beer it would be good times and positive vibes. This is for real my last comment regarding it. What's done is done. They will sell 1000s of amps I will find something else and in a week nobody will remember this thread. John will still be kidnapping wemon,gramps will be gramps, and we all hate papermaker. The more thing change the more they stay the same. Everyone have a good night/weekend