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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 2756700" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>Im a mechanical engineer by trade, I work with electrical engineering nerds alot... nuff said? Lets put it this way, I got into an arguement with an electrical engineer because in a quote meeting, he announced "money is completely unnecessary in our society!" The amazing part, when discussing electrical circuit, ladder logic or PLC programming, the man was/is an utter genius, smartest electrical engineer Ive worked with (and Ive worked with many). But common sense? It simply wasn't there, at all. Honestly, Im betting Ive worked with more people like that than you have. Sheer guess on my part judging by my previous history of working with weirdos. lol Anyway... not sure what that has to do with the subject beyond explaining to you I dont have more 'living to do'. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif Or are you suggesting Europe has no common senseless engineers? Dont bother trying, Ive met plenty of them too. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif</p><p>To the rest of it... I dont even know where to begin. lets see, the American vs European stuff, Im not the one who mentioned my friend's bias against American companies/designs, and I wasn't eager to agree, that was you. Or, did you post such information as "but their bringing in an outside person to achieve a sound they couldn't, already shows that" to say you disagree, and in fact American companies can make good sounding subs? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif BS. I guess if one American speaker designer ever ever ever goes to Europe to work for a European manufacturer, Americans should claim its due to Europeans not being able to get it right, or not having the patience? Face it, your comments are biased against AMERICAN manufacturers, and AMERICAN ideals/incentives/goals/motives. Never once did you say company X did this, and company X is guilty of lousy equipment... its always been in the context of AMERICAN manufacturers. If you dont want Americans to get their feathers ruffled, dont bring up baseless generalizations aimed at making them look bad.</p><p></p><p>Next, calling some random company to tell them how to redesign their sub. Are you <strong>insane</strong>? That's all I have to say about that. Oh and maybe a lol.</p><p></p><p>Next, real-world building versus computer simulations. No, that is NOT how this started, it started with you claiming (aparently) that BL curves mean nothing. I mean, they scientifically show distortin outputs and are easily comparable, but hey you are right, they come on paper, must mean jack. Or maybe you were claiming your golden ears hear better than a microphone and computer can. Either way, you still dont seem to get the simple concept of accuracy of sound reproduction versus personal preference. If you did, you wouldn't be bringing up that flawed arguement, again.</p><p></p><p>Lets try this again. Nobody said this: "that's where i stepped in with bs about pure modeling approach not being 100% accurate". please show me where I, or anyone else in this thread, said pure modeling is 100% accurate. Again you are arguing a case that was never made. People HAVE stated the differences between modeled dirsortion curves and personal preference, but nobody has sad a person's opinion is wrong. You really need to get your facts straight here.</p><p></p><p>Next, the uglier side of the industry. You really are thick, aren't you? Talk about car audio's dark underbelly all you want (lol) but when you put it in the context of American based only, yeah Im gonna call your BS, every time pal.</p><p></p><p>Next, self investigation.... of what? Should we google search "some European spider whiz"? How about "the great American spider scandal of 2006!"? You tell us we are wrong, say its cuz your European buddy taught you so, but oh no you cant say who or even how, then back up your claims with "figure it out yourselves!". Its too bad, maybe you really do know something, and your lousy people skills are simply hiding it. But I guess we'll never know, you'll just be the crackpot that tried to tell American speaker companies how they were so f'ed up. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif</p><p></p><p>Lastly, the science bullies. Yes, these notorious predators of weaker car audio enthusiasts can be distinguished by their pocket protectors, calculators and pages of silly scientific mumbo jumbo. How dare they run off the little guys with their... their... their science... and facts! If you see one, do not try to confront him, run away. I hear they bite.</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 2756700, member: 549629"] Im a mechanical engineer by trade, I work with electrical engineering nerds alot... nuff said? Lets put it this way, I got into an arguement with an electrical engineer because in a quote meeting, he announced "money is completely unnecessary in our society!" The amazing part, when discussing electrical circuit, ladder logic or PLC programming, the man was/is an utter genius, smartest electrical engineer Ive worked with (and Ive worked with many). But common sense? It simply wasn't there, at all. Honestly, Im betting Ive worked with more people like that than you have. Sheer guess on my part judging by my previous history of working with weirdos. lol Anyway... not sure what that has to do with the subject beyond explaining to you I dont have more 'living to do'. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif[/IMG] Or are you suggesting Europe has no common senseless engineers? Dont bother trying, Ive met plenty of them too. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif[/IMG] To the rest of it... I dont even know where to begin. lets see, the American vs European stuff, Im not the one who mentioned my friend's bias against American companies/designs, and I wasn't eager to agree, that was you. Or, did you post such information as "but their bringing in an outside person to achieve a sound they couldn't, already shows that" to say you disagree, and in fact American companies can make good sounding subs? [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif[/IMG] BS. I guess if one American speaker designer ever ever ever goes to Europe to work for a European manufacturer, Americans should claim its due to Europeans not being able to get it right, or not having the patience? Face it, your comments are biased against AMERICAN manufacturers, and AMERICAN ideals/incentives/goals/motives. Never once did you say company X did this, and company X is guilty of lousy equipment... its always been in the context of AMERICAN manufacturers. If you dont want Americans to get their feathers ruffled, dont bring up baseless generalizations aimed at making them look bad. Next, calling some random company to tell them how to redesign their sub. Are you [B]insane[/B]? That's all I have to say about that. Oh and maybe a lol. Next, real-world building versus computer simulations. No, that is NOT how this started, it started with you claiming (aparently) that BL curves mean nothing. I mean, they scientifically show distortin outputs and are easily comparable, but hey you are right, they come on paper, must mean jack. Or maybe you were claiming your golden ears hear better than a microphone and computer can. Either way, you still dont seem to get the simple concept of accuracy of sound reproduction versus personal preference. If you did, you wouldn't be bringing up that flawed arguement, again. Lets try this again. Nobody said this: "that's where i stepped in with bs about pure modeling approach not being 100% accurate". please show me where I, or anyone else in this thread, said pure modeling is 100% accurate. Again you are arguing a case that was never made. People HAVE stated the differences between modeled dirsortion curves and personal preference, but nobody has sad a person's opinion is wrong. You really need to get your facts straight here. Next, the uglier side of the industry. You really are thick, aren't you? Talk about car audio's dark underbelly all you want (lol) but when you put it in the context of American based only, yeah Im gonna call your BS, every time pal. Next, self investigation.... of what? Should we google search "some European spider whiz"? How about "the great American spider scandal of 2006!"? You tell us we are wrong, say its cuz your European buddy taught you so, but oh no you cant say who or even how, then back up your claims with "figure it out yourselves!". Its too bad, maybe you really do know something, and your lousy people skills are simply hiding it. But I guess we'll never know, you'll just be the crackpot that tried to tell American speaker companies how they were so f'ed up. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif[/IMG] Lastly, the science bullies. Yes, these notorious predators of weaker car audio enthusiasts can be distinguished by their pocket protectors, calculators and pages of silly scientific mumbo jumbo. How dare they run off the little guys with their... their... their science... and facts! If you see one, do not try to confront him, run away. I hear they bite. Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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