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Message: <blockquote data-quote="95stroked1500" data-source="post: 2754774" data-attributes="member: 569805">i think it comes down to if the person is building because they're after the almighty $, or if they're doing it to produce as close to perfect acoustical reproduction as they possibly can. rather than just american or european.one reason i think the hobbyist can sometimes do better work than the pro. one's 110% devoted to producing the product and it shows. where the other is just spitting a product out there to make a buck and it shows.then again, how many "american" companies sub contract their high end subs and components to europe? a good amount. look at all the vifa/scan, dyn, morel, etc built drivers that do or had american labels on them.there are good american builders, don't get me wrong. there are just A LOT of american builders that are not as good as the few. and there's those that are one track minded that if they can't model it, it doesn't work. and that is where those that employ that mind set are wrong.any one who thinks they can computer simulate up a wonder speaker, is going to have driver failures and performance let downs when it comes to real world use.take treo cxt for example. that thing was in R&amp;D for years. they'd plug away on their simulations, build it, test it, ..... didn't perform as good as they thought or wanted. back to the drawing board. again and again. and any real company does that.there are many things just not dialed yet in modeling programs. that's why you design the best you can, build, test, record info, redesign, build, tweek, and so on. and that's where a good speaker engineer excels. kind of like a pro racer vs a newbie driving a car. both are capable of driving  the car. one is going to know how to compensate for the corners, rough roads, etc, a lot better than the other.it's just how far they are willing to take it to perfection. like i said, it's that last 10% that is most critical. but it's that last 10% that is most time consuming. and 99.9% of people will never know that the speaker they just bought is only 90% of what it could be.from my view point of what i see, americans are too bull headed and refuse to accept what they don't know or don't understand, or to veer away from what they were taught in the books.who ever it was who started the trend of tiny boxes for spl, they weren't afraid to try something outside the bun. while everyone else were full bore bigger box, bigger port is better. cause it models that way on the simulation program and mathmatically says so.i have seen things that have totally blew me away. because accroding to modeling of the thiel/small parameters, what i was hearing wasn't possible. but the design defied what i thought i knew.i've just had some experiences that got me away from being on the mind set of that purist scientific/physics/modeling type. it has it's place, it's just not the 10 commandments carved in stone.some of the subs my teacher helped design won awards in their day. for SQ in the 12v industry. and even though it was an american company designed state side, i will venture far enough to say that the company then had their designs built by vifa.but he hated car audio. and i don't blame him. his personal prize set ups were the W-T-W (or called to some M-T-M) set up in his studio monitors. subs are a lot less intricate to do in their narrow bandwidth. it's the highs that really show a good speaker builder. to this day i have yet to hear a reprodcution so real. no sq champ car, no home audio set up i have heard anywhere has matched it yet.  i know there's others who can produce to that level and better. as he had a few guys he looked up to and i can't remember the names he rattled off. i just haven't had the luck of getting to hear better yet.</blockquote>

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