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<blockquote data-quote="bk12321" data-source="post: 4171286" data-attributes="member: 564687">I also supplement with Whey Protein (Dymatize Elite Whey: Caffe Mocha -- DELICIOUS in water OR milk), which I find &quot;natural&quot;.My gains are great right now, maybe not QUITE as good as before, but i&#039;m not taking a thousand different things a day, and being natural obviously isn&#039;t &quot;bad&quot; for you like some of the supplements might be. I just eat FAIRLY healthy, get my daily cardio in, and get a lot of protein ESPECIALLY around my workout. I say that with a proper diet (and I mean PROPER), and a good, consistent workout regime, you can keep up with the supplement-heads (except for maybe the &#039;roiders).- The creatine made me puffy, which I hated because I was already fat then.- The NO gave me a TON TON TON of energy (NO Shotgun is the best ive ever tried by far) which gave me the boost i needed to pass plateaus, and for those who say it doesnt work, just give it a try and ull see for yourself. The extra energy will help you squeeze out extra reps or weight, which is definitely gonna help you grow and get stronger. Pretty bad for you though, esp since most of them have caffeine in them too. I stopped taking it because my heart would go crazy every time I took it, and b/c it was expensive.- Stopped taking the multivitamin because you should get all the nutrients you need from your diet, and a GOOD diet is a must.- Stopped the fish oil because I cook in olive oil, and because I dont think I need all the supplements.and if you havent heard this a thousand times... DIET DIET DIET... oh and DIET! Its the MOST IMPORTANT PART. Your diet must be spot on, especially if you are cutting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bk12321, post: 4171286, member: 564687"] I also supplement with Whey Protein (Dymatize Elite Whey: Caffe Mocha -- DELICIOUS in water OR milk), which I find "natural". My gains are great right now, maybe not QUITE as good as before, but i'm not taking a thousand different things a day, and being natural obviously isn't "bad" for you like some of the supplements might be. I just eat FAIRLY healthy, get my daily cardio in, and get a lot of protein ESPECIALLY around my workout. I say that with a proper diet (and I mean PROPER), and a good, consistent workout regime, you can keep up with the supplement-heads (except for maybe the 'roiders). - The creatine made me puffy, which I hated because I was already fat then. - The NO gave me a TON TON TON of energy (NO Shotgun is the best ive ever tried by far) which gave me the boost i needed to pass plateaus, and for those who say it doesnt work, just give it a try and ull see for yourself. The extra energy will help you squeeze out extra reps or weight, which is definitely gonna help you grow and get stronger. Pretty bad for you though, esp since most of them have caffeine in them too. I stopped taking it because my heart would go crazy every time I took it, and b/c it was expensive. - Stopped taking the multivitamin because you should get all the nutrients you need from your diet, and a GOOD diet is a must. - Stopped the fish oil because I cook in olive oil, and because I dont think I need all the supplements. and if you havent heard this a thousand times... DIET DIET DIET... oh and DIET! Its the MOST IMPORTANT PART. Your diet must be spot on, especially if you are cutting. [/QUOTE]

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