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<blockquote data-quote="Hellrazor" data-source="post: 61627" data-attributes="member: 544575">Two things here...if you are thinking that you can get 350hp at the crank on the Celica, I am sure you can, but you won&#039;t get that cheaply.&nbsp; It&#039;s going to cost SEVERAL thousands of dollars to get that.&nbsp; If someone else were to spend HALF of that to beef up an LT1 or LS1, they would get alot more than 400 hp at the crank and even with the weight diff it would be tough to beat.&nbsp; The old question comes into play...why spend twice as much on a 4 banger as you could on a V-8 and still not be as fast?As far as the Matrix, let&#039;s see.&nbsp; The base model only has 130 hp at the crank.&nbsp; It would take several thousands (parts and labor) for the turbo and exhaust.&nbsp; 270hp at the wheels would be impressive at that but a stock 95-99 GST will spin the tires in the first three gears.&nbsp; One thing you are forgetting is the gearing in all this.&nbsp; The Matrix doesn&#039;t have the gear setup for quick times, you would have to change that too.&nbsp; In the 13s is respectable but stock V-8s can do that as well right now.I&#039;m sure you can build a 4 banger to be faster than my T/A.&nbsp; I would never say my car will eat any other 4 banger out there.&nbsp; I was just commenting that for spending that much money, you could have that much more.&nbsp; The guys with stock V-8&#039;s aren&#039;t going to be running you down to race you anyway, it&#039;s the one&#039;s with a little more that will want to give you the run, and they are the ones you will have to worry about.Peace...(yeah,right!)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hellrazor, post: 61627, member: 544575"] Two things here...if you are thinking that you can get 350hp at the crank on the Celica, I am sure you can, but you won't get that cheaply. It's going to cost SEVERAL thousands of dollars to get that. If someone else were to spend HALF of that to beef up an LT1 or LS1, they would get alot more than 400 hp at the crank and even with the weight diff it would be tough to beat. The old question comes into play...why spend twice as much on a 4 banger as you could on a V-8 and still not be as fast? As far as the Matrix, let's see. The base model only has 130 hp at the crank. It would take several thousands (parts and labor) for the turbo and exhaust. 270hp at the wheels would be impressive at that but a stock 95-99 GST will spin the tires in the first three gears. One thing you are forgetting is the gearing in all this. The Matrix doesn't have the gear setup for quick times, you would have to change that too. In the 13s is respectable but stock V-8s can do that as well right now. I'm sure you can build a 4 banger to be faster than my T/A. I would never say my car will eat any other 4 banger out there. I was just commenting that for spending that much money, you could have that much more. The guys with stock V-8's aren't going to be running you down to race you anyway, it's the one's with a little more that will want to give you the run, and they are the ones you will have to worry about. Peace...(yeah,right!) [/QUOTE]

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