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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 6327876" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>You simply aren't worth a line-by-line disagreement. You show a complete propensity to twist anything and everything to suit you. More words means more things for you to twist. I will simply reiterate that this thread is on <strong>speaker</strong> efficiency, not <strong>system</strong> efficiency. So lets put this in perspective. You state that increasing system efficiency is more efficient (for lack of a better word) than simply increasing power levels. In a thread on speaker efficiency, this is completely off topic and irrelevant. It would be akin to a discussion on increasing horsepower levels in your engine, and you popping in to tell us changing gear ratios is a more efficient way to gain speed. So what? Change gear ratios (make system efficency as high as possible) while STILL increasing horsepower (higher power handling speaker). You can make the install as efficient as possible, and still utilize a lower efficiency speaker within the system. This is exactly what competitors do. Even your oh-so-important example of Alan Dante does not support your cause. Otherwise, instead of using a 97db efficiency speaker (so you claim he claims), why doesn't he use a pro audio speaker with even higher efficiency? Why is he not scouring the globe to find the highest efficiency speaker on Earth? Because even your god-like example knows power handling is important, and pro audio drivers simply dont have the cooling capabilities of a speaker with a heavy coil and motor structure to absorb the heat and dissipate it.</p><p></p><p>Your interjection of system efficiency does not affect the debate within this thread, on <em>speaker</em> efficiency, one bit. You concluding it did, and subsequently defending that position over and over, only seems show your lack of understanding of the distinction between the two topics. Yet your decision to remove your comments on how you thought I was changing the topic indicates you do realize the distinction, just cant bring yourself to admit you confused the two initially. Maybe you are bipolar. Is there a side to Ctes that is concise, reasonable, makes sense and admits when he is wrong? if so, Id like to speak with him next time, k?</p><p></p><p>And yes, you removing the line from your post stating I was trying to change the topic to what I want to talk about was you changing your mind. Duh? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif My point was you realized we were discussing different topics, <em>speaker</em> versus <em>system</em> efficiency, and your initial thought was I was changing the topic of the thread. Once you realized I was the one on topic and you weren't, you "changed your mind" and removed the line, but still maintain the campaign to confuse our debate so thoroughly as to hope nobody will notice you are the one who has altered the thread topic. I noticed. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif I have shown where you are talking about <em>system</em> efficiency in relation to people's (those "dingleberrys") comments on <em>speaker</em> efficiency, I defy you to point out where I have claimed increasing system efficiency is more important than power handling of the speaker. You wont, because you cant. And that's because I, and everyone else in this thread, were discussing speaker efficiency.</p><p></p><p>Your "for example" argument falls short as well. I guess because you said "for example" that makes it okay that your 'example' was completely off topic? Your example discussed increasing <strong>system</strong> efficiency. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif</p><p></p><p>Lastly, even you state you felt I "mildly" disagreed with your post. I didn't quote it, I didnt mention you or your points specifically, you felt threatened none the less. *gasp* It seems your ego doesn't allow you to even be "mildly" disagreed with to the point of making a fool of yourself instead of simply saying 'oops I confused system efficiency with speaker efficiency' and moving on. So please, post another marathon reply showing us just how fragile your ego is, I look forward to the laugh. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 6327876, member: 549629"] You simply aren't worth a line-by-line disagreement. You show a complete propensity to twist anything and everything to suit you. More words means more things for you to twist. I will simply reiterate that this thread is on [B]speaker[/B] efficiency, not [B]system[/B] efficiency. So lets put this in perspective. You state that increasing system efficiency is more efficient (for lack of a better word) than simply increasing power levels. In a thread on speaker efficiency, this is completely off topic and irrelevant. It would be akin to a discussion on increasing horsepower levels in your engine, and you popping in to tell us changing gear ratios is a more efficient way to gain speed. So what? Change gear ratios (make system efficency as high as possible) while STILL increasing horsepower (higher power handling speaker). You can make the install as efficient as possible, and still utilize a lower efficiency speaker within the system. This is exactly what competitors do. Even your oh-so-important example of Alan Dante does not support your cause. Otherwise, instead of using a 97db efficiency speaker (so you claim he claims), why doesn't he use a pro audio speaker with even higher efficiency? Why is he not scouring the globe to find the highest efficiency speaker on Earth? Because even your god-like example knows power handling is important, and pro audio drivers simply dont have the cooling capabilities of a speaker with a heavy coil and motor structure to absorb the heat and dissipate it. Your interjection of system efficiency does not affect the debate within this thread, on [I]speaker[/I] efficiency, one bit. You concluding it did, and subsequently defending that position over and over, only seems show your lack of understanding of the distinction between the two topics. Yet your decision to remove your comments on how you thought I was changing the topic indicates you do realize the distinction, just cant bring yourself to admit you confused the two initially. Maybe you are bipolar. Is there a side to Ctes that is concise, reasonable, makes sense and admits when he is wrong? if so, Id like to speak with him next time, k? And yes, you removing the line from your post stating I was trying to change the topic to what I want to talk about was you changing your mind. Duh? [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif[/IMG] My point was you realized we were discussing different topics, [I]speaker[/I] versus [I]system[/I] efficiency, and your initial thought was I was changing the topic of the thread. Once you realized I was the one on topic and you weren't, you "changed your mind" and removed the line, but still maintain the campaign to confuse our debate so thoroughly as to hope nobody will notice you are the one who has altered the thread topic. I noticed. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif[/IMG] I have shown where you are talking about [I]system[/I] efficiency in relation to people's (those "dingleberrys") comments on [I]speaker[/I] efficiency, I defy you to point out where I have claimed increasing system efficiency is more important than power handling of the speaker. You wont, because you cant. And that's because I, and everyone else in this thread, were discussing speaker efficiency. Your "for example" argument falls short as well. I guess because you said "for example" that makes it okay that your 'example' was completely off topic? Your example discussed increasing [B]system[/B] efficiency. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif[/IMG] Lastly, even you state you felt I "mildly" disagreed with your post. I didn't quote it, I didnt mention you or your points specifically, you felt threatened none the less. *gasp* It seems your ego doesn't allow you to even be "mildly" disagreed with to the point of making a fool of yourself instead of simply saying 'oops I confused system efficiency with speaker efficiency' and moving on. So please, post another marathon reply showing us just how fragile your ego is, I look forward to the laugh. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif[/IMG] Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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