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Why all the hate on W7's?
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<blockquote data-quote="helotaxi" data-source="post: 1777146" data-attributes="member: 550915"><p>Any sub will sound like crap in a wrongly tuned BP enclosure and trying to judge a sub in gerenal based on its performance in a bandpass? That's pretty ignorant. As far as having problems with overexcursion below tuning, any sub on the planet will have overexcursion issues below tuning. If you understood how a tuned enclosure works you would quickly see why.</p><p></p><p>I am on the whole a JL fan and have been using their products since the early 90's, when most people had never heard of them, but I am far from a bandwagon fanboy. I do applaud the way that JL supports their dealers and their product. Their products are expensive for a reason: they do all their own development and patent their designs. All this costs money. Since they don't use a buildhouse and don't share their technologies with a number of other brands by building woofers for rebadging the cost can't be amortized through multiple channels. Their sub's prices generally reflect what they have invested in them. All that being said, I will probably never buy a W7 or W6. I don't care bout getting that loud and since loud is not one of my criteria for selection, I don't need the long throw linearity and the high pricetag associated with that.</p><p></p><p>I have also noticed a lot of people that have unrealistic expectations for what they will get from a JL sub. They expect that since it's expensive, it will be the loudest thing out there. JL subs are not meant to bet street beaters, though they can do an OK job of it. Other than the W7, they were not meant to take a lot of power because they don't need it to do their intended job. JL subs were not meant to win SPL contests. They were meant to reproduce the lower octaves of music accurately, at moderate levels with a smallish amount of power. They are SQ woofers. The W6 and W7 have the capability of getting very loud, but that is more a byproduct of the design route taken to make sure that they sound good rather than a design goal in itself. Most of the people that hate on the W7 cite that they can get louder for the money. I would sure hope so, getting louder than a top of the line SQ woofer? That must really be a sorce of pride. That's like saying your sports car is quicker than a pickup truck. Not really something worth bragging about. The W7 is more flexible than most drivers though. It can be made to get pretty **** loud or sound really good or sound better than most while getting louder than most, but with anything, there are tradeoffs. For the best SQ, you have to give up some SPL and vice versa. In a pure SQ setup, it will not get into the realm of what most would consider loud. In a pure SPL setup, it will like all subs sound like trash and there is the full range of combinations in between. Like with any sub, where in that range you want to set it up is up to the user. That the W7 can run the full range is to its credit (though it won't stand a chance against the purpose built SPL drivers in sheer output even when configured for that).</p><p></p><p>Basically the point of my post is that the vasst majority of people that hate on the W7 don't know what they are talking about. They see a pricetag and they make unfounded assumptions about what they should expect and when it fails to meet those unrealistic expectations, they form their opinion. If you don't like JL buy something else. If you need your stereo to make you feel special, get a life. If you feel better about yourself by riding down something that you can't afford quit with your sour grapes. If you have honestly tried the gear in question and experimented with it and figured out its strengths and limitations and found that something else better suits your needs, then you can talk, but I have a feeling that there are very few people in that situation whether they stuck with the W7 or decided that something else suited their needs better that would really have much bad to say about JL products. They didn't get to where they are by making crap.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="helotaxi, post: 1777146, member: 550915"] Any sub will sound like crap in a wrongly tuned BP enclosure and trying to judge a sub in gerenal based on its performance in a bandpass? That's pretty ignorant. As far as having problems with overexcursion below tuning, any sub on the planet will have overexcursion issues below tuning. If you understood how a tuned enclosure works you would quickly see why. I am on the whole a JL fan and have been using their products since the early 90's, when most people had never heard of them, but I am far from a bandwagon fanboy. I do applaud the way that JL supports their dealers and their product. Their products are expensive for a reason: they do all their own development and patent their designs. All this costs money. Since they don't use a buildhouse and don't share their technologies with a number of other brands by building woofers for rebadging the cost can't be amortized through multiple channels. Their sub's prices generally reflect what they have invested in them. All that being said, I will probably never buy a W7 or W6. I don't care bout getting that loud and since loud is not one of my criteria for selection, I don't need the long throw linearity and the high pricetag associated with that. I have also noticed a lot of people that have unrealistic expectations for what they will get from a JL sub. They expect that since it's expensive, it will be the loudest thing out there. JL subs are not meant to bet street beaters, though they can do an OK job of it. Other than the W7, they were not meant to take a lot of power because they don't need it to do their intended job. JL subs were not meant to win SPL contests. They were meant to reproduce the lower octaves of music accurately, at moderate levels with a smallish amount of power. They are SQ woofers. The W6 and W7 have the capability of getting very loud, but that is more a byproduct of the design route taken to make sure that they sound good rather than a design goal in itself. Most of the people that hate on the W7 cite that they can get louder for the money. I would sure hope so, getting louder than a top of the line SQ woofer? That must really be a sorce of pride. That's like saying your sports car is quicker than a pickup truck. Not really something worth bragging about. The W7 is more flexible than most drivers though. It can be made to get pretty **** loud or sound really good or sound better than most while getting louder than most, but with anything, there are tradeoffs. For the best SQ, you have to give up some SPL and vice versa. In a pure SQ setup, it will not get into the realm of what most would consider loud. In a pure SPL setup, it will like all subs sound like trash and there is the full range of combinations in between. Like with any sub, where in that range you want to set it up is up to the user. That the W7 can run the full range is to its credit (though it won't stand a chance against the purpose built SPL drivers in sheer output even when configured for that). Basically the point of my post is that the vasst majority of people that hate on the W7 don't know what they are talking about. They see a pricetag and they make unfounded assumptions about what they should expect and when it fails to meet those unrealistic expectations, they form their opinion. If you don't like JL buy something else. If you need your stereo to make you feel special, get a life. If you feel better about yourself by riding down something that you can't afford quit with your sour grapes. If you have honestly tried the gear in question and experimented with it and figured out its strengths and limitations and found that something else better suits your needs, then you can talk, but I have a feeling that there are very few people in that situation whether they stuck with the W7 or decided that something else suited their needs better that would really have much bad to say about JL products. They didn't get to where they are by making crap. [/QUOTE]
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