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<blockquote data-quote="JLCivic" data-source="post: 233511" data-attributes="member: 547424">A guy on another forum tested the pre outs on his alpine 7897.&nbsp; These were his findings(which were actually better than the local shop&#039;s findings on an alpine they tested).front/rear pre outs clipped at 32 out of 35 on the volume(very respectable)at 31(last notch before it clipped hard, the front/rear pre outs were 3.9 volts(again, good)the sub pre out never clipped but at max volume, bass boost maxed, it was 3.5 voltsHowever, their biggest issue was that at volume 31(last notch before serious clipping), the sub pre out was only putting out 1.7 volts(that is 42% of rated pre out voltage, and if that is all you get before the deck clips, I wouldn&#039;t exactly call that a glowing review)Now, that alpine surely isn&#039;t underrated by any stretch of the imagination.&nbsp; Couple that with the many posts seen on forums from alpine owners uttering the words &quot;where did my bass go,&quot; or &quot;i need a linedriver,&quot; and I don&#039;t think the quality of alpine&#039;s pre outs(atleast in their current production models) is something that is generally seen as underrated.I have never run a panasonic.&nbsp; I have owned pioneer, kenwood, and alpine before eclipse, and I have been running eclipse for many years.&nbsp; Again, I am NOT saying that panasonic is better than an alpine or vice versa, but when I saw the mention of alpine&#039;s pre outs being underrated, I thought of that test done by an alpine owner(and another guy did a quick check and actually got 1.9 volts before clipping).&nbsp; Couple that with the fact that the 7897 is a $600 deck, retail, and it is more surprising.As for internal power, I have never looked at any manufacturer to have accurate ratings(and surely wouldn&#039;t base my head unit decision on its internal amplifier anyway...but I do know it is a big deal to some out there).&nbsp; I loved the alpine I had years ago, but I think eclipse makes a better sounding deck than what else I have heard to date(haven&#039;t heard a nak or denon yet) so I have stayed with them(other than the present because I have sold my eclipse cd8051 and the shop let me use an entry level clarion awaiting my new eclipse cd8053).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JLCivic, post: 233511, member: 547424"] A guy on another forum tested the pre outs on his alpine 7897. These were his findings(which were actually better than the local shop's findings on an alpine they tested). front/rear pre outs clipped at 32 out of 35 on the volume(very respectable) at 31(last notch before it clipped hard, the front/rear pre outs were 3.9 volts(again, good) the sub pre out never clipped but at max volume, bass boost maxed, it was 3.5 volts However, their biggest issue was that at volume 31(last notch before serious clipping), the sub pre out was only putting out 1.7 volts(that is 42% of rated pre out voltage, and if that is all you get before the deck clips, I wouldn't exactly call that a glowing review) Now, that alpine surely isn't underrated by any stretch of the imagination. Couple that with the many posts seen on forums from alpine owners uttering the words "where did my bass go," or "i need a linedriver," and I don't think the quality of alpine's pre outs(atleast in their current production models) is something that is generally seen as underrated. I have never run a panasonic. I have owned pioneer, kenwood, and alpine before eclipse, and I have been running eclipse for many years. Again, I am NOT saying that panasonic is better than an alpine or vice versa, but when I saw the mention of alpine's pre outs being underrated, I thought of that test done by an alpine owner(and another guy did a quick check and actually got 1.9 volts before clipping). Couple that with the fact that the 7897 is a $600 deck, retail, and it is more surprising. As for internal power, I have never looked at any manufacturer to have accurate ratings(and surely wouldn't base my head unit decision on its internal amplifier anyway...but I do know it is a big deal to some out there). I loved the alpine I had years ago, but I think eclipse makes a better sounding deck than what else I have heard to date(haven't heard a nak or denon yet) so I have stayed with them(other than the present because I have sold my eclipse cd8051 and the shop let me use an entry level clarion awaiting my new eclipse cd8053). [/QUOTE]

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