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<blockquote data-quote="Coaxial" data-source="post: 8426135" data-attributes="member: 667265">Class D in full range for 20 years? I never knew. Wow. I guess it was just coming around to the 12v world as I was leaving. I&#039;ve never been much into home audio or other than just car audio. Even my home system I had in a game room at one time was made using a 12v deck, speakers, and an amp and sub, just for the fun of it.Yes, I noticed the definite size decrease in amps. My last 50x4 rms was 18&quot; long and way over a foot across. Now they have some I could tuck in my hip pocket. I wondered about the quality of these as soon as I saw them but now your posts has made me think they might be ok. Also, I knew of smaller output amps when I was into audio before, but it had been a while since I had ran across any and I thought with deck powers increasing into the 25 rms category, that maybe a small amp was now a thing of the past. Maybe I jumped too soon on my comment though. I had just been to three different manufacturer websites looking at amps and all three now offered 30-40 rms amps, whereas the last time I had ever looked, none of them did.I might hsve known it would be that way with decks, having tons of cheap to add feature options to create price tiers, and then have them not last so they can sell you a new one. It&#039;s that way with everything anymore. I don&#039;t know how far back you consider old school and built to last, but my last Pioneer deck came from Walmart (of all places) and lasted 14 years, never failed, and still worked like new when I sold the vehicle it was installed in. Even the remote still worked and had the original battery in it. I had used it in 4 different vehicles over the years and just finally tired of it. I probably won&#039;t get that kind of service from another one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coaxial, post: 8426135, member: 667265"] Class D in full range for 20 years? I never knew. Wow. I guess it was just coming around to the 12v world as I was leaving. I've never been much into home audio or other than just car audio. Even my home system I had in a game room at one time was made using a 12v deck, speakers, and an amp and sub, just for the fun of it. Yes, I noticed the definite size decrease in amps. My last 50x4 rms was 18" long and way over a foot across. Now they have some I could tuck in my hip pocket. I wondered about the quality of these as soon as I saw them but now your posts has made me think they might be ok. Also, I knew of smaller output amps when I was into audio before, but it had been a while since I had ran across any and I thought with deck powers increasing into the 25 rms category, that maybe a small amp was now a thing of the past. Maybe I jumped too soon on my comment though. I had just been to three different manufacturer websites looking at amps and all three now offered 30-40 rms amps, whereas the last time I had ever looked, none of them did. I might hsve known it would be that way with decks, having tons of cheap to add feature options to create price tiers, and then have them not last so they can sell you a new one. It's that way with everything anymore. I don't know how far back you consider old school and built to last, but my last Pioneer deck came from Walmart (of all places) and lasted 14 years, never failed, and still worked like new when I sold the vehicle it was installed in. Even the remote still worked and had the original battery in it. I had used it in 4 different vehicles over the years and just finally tired of it. I probably won't get that kind of service from another one. [/QUOTE]

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