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<blockquote data-quote="CarAudioAddict" data-source="post: 162437" data-attributes="member: 545743">I&#039;ll leave the first one alone, as I wasn&#039;t alive when it happened and I only have history and education on that point&nbsp;You still don&#039;t deny that the US was late in joining the war. But I still don&#039;t see how he was close to victory, England, France, Spain, Canada were holding him back from conquering Europe. He had only taken a few countries and lost much of his army trying to invade teh USSR during winter&nbsp;You still haven&#039;t answered the question. How would another war resulting in millions of innocent deaths be for the better?&nbsp;A chemical attack on my homesoil - yeah I&#039;d be pissed off, and no it wouldn&#039;t be ok with me. But the flip side is would it be ok if I went and killed someones family in retaliation?No, I didn&#039;t think soI never said it makes it better, I&#039;m saying that 12 years ago they knew what kind of person he was, and they could have removed him from power, but they didn&#039;t. Now that he has had a chance to rebuild his army and develop more weapons the world is complaining about him. BTW I still haven&#039;t seen any proof that he has weapons of mass destruction. He may have some of the supplies used in building them, but that is NO proof that he has built any (by that reasoning - I have bleach in my house, which is one of chemicals used to make acid and extacy - that must mean I have extacy in my house. The only &quot;proof&quot; I&#039;ve seen is circumstantial. Things like &quot;activity in military installations before the investigators arrived&quot; - WOW, thats proof. Proof that he has an operational military, thats all.&nbsp; Also intercepted phone calls with statements like &quot;have the weapons been moved yet?&quot; - Once again, no valid proof. What if they were talking about AK-47&#039;s -thats hardly a weapon of mass destruction.&nbsp;I don&#039;t know about you, but the police in my country are paid to defend mine, and everyone elses in the country way of life. If someone attacks my way of life the police are there to protect it.&nbsp;You still haven&#039;t shown me how the US has been a major player in human history. Yes, a player and one of the major players of the last 100 years, but 100 years is a far cry from 5000. How did the US affect history in the 16th century, the 10th, the 1st, how about 3500 years ago?&nbsp;Ok we agree, all life is of equal value, which is basically what I meant. Use that argument to justify a war costing millions of human lives along with an unkown number of non-human lives.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CarAudioAddict, post: 162437, member: 545743"] I'll leave the first one alone, as I wasn't alive when it happened and I only have history and education on that point You still don't deny that the US was late in joining the war. But I still don't see how he was close to victory, England, France, Spain, Canada were holding him back from conquering Europe. He had only taken a few countries and lost much of his army trying to invade teh USSR during winter You still haven't answered the question. How would another war resulting in millions of innocent deaths be for the better? A chemical attack on my homesoil - yeah I'd be pissed off, and no it wouldn't be ok with me. But the flip side is would it be ok if I went and killed someones family in retaliation? No, I didn't think so I never said it makes it better, I'm saying that 12 years ago they knew what kind of person he was, and they could have removed him from power, but they didn't. Now that he has had a chance to rebuild his army and develop more weapons the world is complaining about him. BTW I still haven't seen any proof that he has weapons of mass destruction. He may have some of the supplies used in building them, but that is NO proof that he has built any (by that reasoning - I have bleach in my house, which is one of chemicals used to make acid and extacy - that must mean I have extacy in my house. The only "proof" I've seen is circumstantial. Things like "activity in military installations before the investigators arrived" - WOW, thats proof. Proof that he has an operational military, thats all. Also intercepted phone calls with statements like "have the weapons been moved yet?" - Once again, no valid proof. What if they were talking about AK-47's -thats hardly a weapon of mass destruction. I don't know about you, but the police in my country are paid to defend mine, and everyone elses in the country way of life. If someone attacks my way of life the police are there to protect it. You still haven't shown me how the US has been a major player in human history. Yes, a player and one of the major players of the last 100 years, but 100 years is a far cry from 5000. How did the US affect history in the 16th century, the 10th, the 1st, how about 3500 years ago? Ok we agree, all life is of equal value, which is basically what I meant. Use that argument to justify a war costing millions of human lives along with an unkown number of non-human lives. [/QUOTE]

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