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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irondiezl3" data-source="post: 2542231" data-attributes="member: 573242">jvc arsenal seriesmodel number is kdr-8500 do some research its pretty nice 31true rmsx4 its got an external amplifier thats why that connects to the headunit but i still want to give my speakers atleast what they can handle which is 60rms never had one but people say when amp added it sounds soo much better but i always wondered whats so much better if its loudness i dont really need that these speakers get more than loud enough for me and clean to the point where i wouldnt spend the extra money unless ill hear different things i couldnt before and there was more bass to it.</blockquote>

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