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<blockquote data-quote="drockstar" data-source="post: 7853185" data-attributes="member: 642212"><p>I can see your take on it and I understand the context of what he&#039;s saying. The part that I don&#039;t agree with is that he said that after our initial motivation, somebody else helps us... I don&#039;t agree. I think we have to barter for what we get in life. I work 50 hours a week and go to school full time. In the last 3 years I have been laid off twice. I collected unemployment for 3 months back in 2010 for the first time in a 40 year life. I have a $180k home in Florida that is worth less than $100k. At what point does the &quot;help&quot; inter? Infrastructure and parts are not &quot;help&quot; because help is free. They are products of other people trying to make a living so you must purchase them. We pay for what we need to accomplish our goals. Imagine this, this happened just this week... I do a lot of civil engineering data collection, I was working in a poorer neighborhood sweating my *** off. I come up on 3 people younger than myself all sitting under a shade tree just relaxing and enjoying their time. Meanwhile I&#039;m working to make a living and pay for my schooling. Those people are the ones getting &quot;helped&quot;. They are getting &quot;helped&quot; in the form of free welfare and food stamps. They are not the ones making sacrifices to get ahead in life.... I decline that kind of help and if more Americans did as well this country wouldn&#039;t be in the shape it&#039;s in.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="drockstar, post: 7853185, member: 642212"] I can see your take on it and I understand the context of what he's saying. The part that I don't agree with is that he said that after our initial motivation, somebody else helps us... I don't agree. I think we have to barter for what we get in life. I work 50 hours a week and go to school full time. In the last 3 years I have been laid off twice. I collected unemployment for 3 months back in 2010 for the first time in a 40 year life. I have a $180k home in Florida that is worth less than $100k. At what point does the "help" inter? Infrastructure and parts are not "help" because help is free. They are products of other people trying to make a living so you must purchase them. We pay for what we need to accomplish our goals. Imagine this, this happened just this week... I do a lot of civil engineering data collection, I was working in a poorer neighborhood sweating my *** off. I come up on 3 people younger than myself all sitting under a shade tree just relaxing and enjoying their time. Meanwhile I'm working to make a living and pay for my schooling. Those people are the ones getting "helped". They are getting "helped" in the form of free welfare and food stamps. They are not the ones making sacrifices to get ahead in life.... I decline that kind of help and if more Americans did as well this country wouldn't be in the shape it's in. [/QUOTE]

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