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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bumpin_blazer" data-source="post: 1813090" data-attributes="member: 541793">yes the 4x4 shocker or shoebox was fast at what 9bps?  dude again, don't try and talk down when i have played pb for again, longer than you've been a teen.  what you need to learn about ramping is that 1) most leagues now cap you at 15bps regardless of speed, 2) the "fast" guns you call name em' that are 10 years old.if you are talking about the shoebox shocker, or the old school matrix, or even the original angel and angel lcd's none of those were that fast.  Not to mention what i consider fast is my pm5 with m5 board or the likes that can do 25bps and actually have a hopper keep up.  Not until the halo hoppers could you feed faster than 18bps so really the last 4 years.  again, don't speak without some brain power behind it kid.</blockquote>

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