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Tweeters to match these mids?
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<blockquote data-quote="thylantyr" data-source="post: 1413696" data-attributes="member: 560358"><p>I won't tell you what to buy, but this is my approach. I believe the tweeters</p><p></p><p>make or break your sound system, find good tweeters and finding good mids</p><p></p><p>is easier. For instance, lets you use Fountek ribbons, lets say NeoCD2.0 for</p><p></p><p>$118 each. You chose this because you liked the sound of ribbons not because</p><p></p><p>you think a $118 driver will automatically satisfy you by default. First thing you</p><p></p><p>notice about the spec is the recommended crossover frequency of 2khz 2nd order</p><p></p><p>slope and 98dB sensivity. Selecting one midrange would consist of finding one</p><p></p><p>with a similar sensitivity rating or less as you could alway L-PAD the tweeter.</p><p></p><p>Next, which midranges can operate to 2khz ? Some of those metal cone</p><p></p><p>{Dayton RS &gt;= 6"} or magnesium coned speakers {Seas &gt;=7"} will sizzle</p><p></p><p>too much at this 2khz crossover, 2nd order. You can make it work by doing</p><p></p><p>steeper slopes.. The next question to ask.. Do you want a pure midrange or</p><p></p><p>midwoofer? What type of design is it ? Most midwoofers if not all of them don't</p><p></p><p>have high sensitivity ratings so you either need to level down the tweeter {bleh}</p><p></p><p>or use multiple midwoofers to boost sensitivity closer to the output of the tweeter</p><p></p><p>OR do a fully active system {electronic crossover, not passive} as sensitivity</p><p></p><p>issues are moot when designing active setups.</p><p></p><p>If I were to use a tweeter of that caliber I would try to optimize performance</p><p></p><p>by finding a good sounding midrange driver {Audax has one, PHL has a few,</p><p></p><p>$70 - $150 ea}. Now you have a great tweeter and midrange but now the</p><p></p><p>pure midrange svcks for bass output and you need a woofer and your design</p><p></p><p>ends of migrating to a 3 way design then you have to find a nice woofer</p><p></p><p>to complete the synergy, to make it easier biamp.</p><p></p><p>Higher sensitivity speaker designs are cool, more expensive, less drivers to choose from,</p><p></p><p>and you usually end of making a 3 way system plus sub {unless you are into</p><p></p><p>the horns solutions or full range single driver solutions}, ideally you want a fully active system,</p><p></p><p>or biamp for 3 ways... the results are highly rewarding... But most people opt for a more cost</p><p></p><p>effective design that stays near 90dB sensivity, not in the high 90's in sensitivity.</p><p></p><p>Those Dayton mids are low sensitivity, they are 5", and they are limited in SPL</p><p></p><p>by the small size...which doesn't mean anything unless you seek more slam in</p><p></p><p>your music playback... so you are better off getting a nice sounding dome tweeter</p><p></p><p>that works nice at 2khz +/- 500hz... If you did choose an exceptional dome</p><p></p><p>that can dish out more SPL, then maybe do a multiple midrange, single tweeter</p><p></p><p>design, perhaps a mini array with single center tweeter. /hehe</p><p></p><p>Alot of people got the boner for the Dayton RS tweeter,</p><p></p><p>designs have been posted using it.. Not only would you use the Dayton midrange</p><p></p><p>but perhaps you can use one of the bigger drivers with that tweeter to get</p><p></p><p>more umph out of the system.</p><p></p><p>Examine the modula designs {see sticky}</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=6" target="_blank">http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=6</a></p><p></p><p>or</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/dr-k-mtm/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/dr-k-mtm/index.html</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thylantyr, post: 1413696, member: 560358"] I won't tell you what to buy, but this is my approach. I believe the tweeters make or break your sound system, find good tweeters and finding good mids is easier. For instance, lets you use Fountek ribbons, lets say NeoCD2.0 for $118 each. You chose this because you liked the sound of ribbons not because you think a $118 driver will automatically satisfy you by default. First thing you notice about the spec is the recommended crossover frequency of 2khz 2nd order slope and 98dB sensivity. Selecting one midrange would consist of finding one with a similar sensitivity rating or less as you could alway L-PAD the tweeter. Next, which midranges can operate to 2khz ? Some of those metal cone {Dayton RS >= 6"} or magnesium coned speakers {Seas >=7"} will sizzle too much at this 2khz crossover, 2nd order. You can make it work by doing steeper slopes.. The next question to ask.. Do you want a pure midrange or midwoofer? What type of design is it ? Most midwoofers if not all of them don't have high sensitivity ratings so you either need to level down the tweeter {bleh} or use multiple midwoofers to boost sensitivity closer to the output of the tweeter OR do a fully active system {electronic crossover, not passive} as sensitivity issues are moot when designing active setups. If I were to use a tweeter of that caliber I would try to optimize performance by finding a good sounding midrange driver {Audax has one, PHL has a few, $70 - $150 ea}. Now you have a great tweeter and midrange but now the pure midrange svcks for bass output and you need a woofer and your design ends of migrating to a 3 way design then you have to find a nice woofer to complete the synergy, to make it easier biamp. Higher sensitivity speaker designs are cool, more expensive, less drivers to choose from, and you usually end of making a 3 way system plus sub {unless you are into the horns solutions or full range single driver solutions}, ideally you want a fully active system, or biamp for 3 ways... the results are highly rewarding... But most people opt for a more cost effective design that stays near 90dB sensivity, not in the high 90's in sensitivity. Those Dayton mids are low sensitivity, they are 5", and they are limited in SPL by the small size...which doesn't mean anything unless you seek more slam in your music playback... so you are better off getting a nice sounding dome tweeter that works nice at 2khz +/- 500hz... If you did choose an exceptional dome that can dish out more SPL, then maybe do a multiple midrange, single tweeter design, perhaps a mini array with single center tweeter. /hehe Alot of people got the boner for the Dayton RS tweeter, designs have been posted using it.. Not only would you use the Dayton midrange but perhaps you can use one of the bigger drivers with that tweeter to get more umph out of the system. Examine the modula designs {see sticky} [URL="http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=6"]http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=6[/URL] or [URL="http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/dr-k-mtm/index.html"]http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/dr-k-mtm/index.html[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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