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<blockquote data-quote="thylantyr" data-source="post: 2304633" data-attributes="member: 560358"><p>1. DSP's have been used for a long time to create musical instrument sounds</p><p></p><p>more complicated that tube amp distortion. Don't underestimate digital effects.</p><p></p><p>I have a $300 guitar amp with DSP that mimicks certain Marshall, Fender, Mesa Boogie, etc., tube amps;</p><p></p><p>12 different amps in DSP with from clean to distorted tones. I'm sure you can get better DSP's in higher end gear.</p><p></p><p>2. I can see where a studio would want tube gear to add distortion to</p><p></p><p>the recording mix, but I was thinking that the performer {ie guitar player}</p><p></p><p>would use his own gear to generate a specific tone, otherwise there is</p><p></p><p>no advantage to tube circuits for making recordings unless you want to add</p><p></p><p>tube amp distortion special effects. I'm sure someone wants this so it exists.</p><p></p><p>3. There is no proof in audio that a short or minimalist signal path = best SQ.</p><p></p><p>Do you see a mimimal signal path here; <a href="http://www.atlserver.net/d/10296-2/100_0183.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.atlserver.net/d/10296-2/100_0183.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>Why is it ok to have a huge signal path when recording your source material</p><p></p><p>but all of a sudden, it's bad if you have one for playback? If it was bad, then</p><p></p><p>your source would be poor. There are poor recording and the root cause of</p><p></p><p>the recording can be attributed to many issues.</p><p></p><p>4. In a previous post it was said that a certain tube has the best linear</p><p></p><p>performance of any electronic device implying that this is mandatory in audio</p><p></p><p>design. On the other hand, lets look at Nelson Pass and his designs. He likes</p><p></p><p>to use vertical mosfet transistors, one of the worse kind for audio if you examine</p><p></p><p>it's linear performance. Point is, a quality amplifier is judged by it's complete design, not</p><p></p><p>by a single component that is good. The best component in the world won't make your</p><p></p><p>amplifier work if it's not designed well.</p><p></p><p>5. If you listened to a musical instrument live and like the sound, then why would you</p><p></p><p>want to add 'more coloration' to the natural sound of the instrument? There is no tubes</p><p></p><p>in acoustical guitars, saxaphones, pianos, etc. lol</p><p></p><p><strong>Because, among others, the musical instrument industry has proven that NO DSP available now, actually sounds EXACTLY like a tube amp. </strong></p><p></p><p>I bet they didn't ABX the test, lol... and did they try to dupe all the tube amps in the world? What I mean is, not every tube amp design</p><p></p><p>will have the same overload performance so if you try to mimick a tube amp via DSP, which ones were chosen? lol ..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thylantyr, post: 2304633, member: 560358"] 1. DSP's have been used for a long time to create musical instrument sounds more complicated that tube amp distortion. Don't underestimate digital effects. I have a $300 guitar amp with DSP that mimicks certain Marshall, Fender, Mesa Boogie, etc., tube amps; 12 different amps in DSP with from clean to distorted tones. I'm sure you can get better DSP's in higher end gear. 2. I can see where a studio would want tube gear to add distortion to the recording mix, but I was thinking that the performer {ie guitar player} would use his own gear to generate a specific tone, otherwise there is no advantage to tube circuits for making recordings unless you want to add tube amp distortion special effects. I'm sure someone wants this so it exists. 3. There is no proof in audio that a short or minimalist signal path = best SQ. Do you see a mimimal signal path here; [URL="http://www.atlserver.net/d/10296-2/100_0183.jpg"]http://www.atlserver.net/d/10296-2/100_0183.jpg[/URL] Why is it ok to have a huge signal path when recording your source material but all of a sudden, it's bad if you have one for playback? If it was bad, then your source would be poor. There are poor recording and the root cause of the recording can be attributed to many issues. 4. In a previous post it was said that a certain tube has the best linear performance of any electronic device implying that this is mandatory in audio design. On the other hand, lets look at Nelson Pass and his designs. He likes to use vertical mosfet transistors, one of the worse kind for audio if you examine it's linear performance. Point is, a quality amplifier is judged by it's complete design, not by a single component that is good. The best component in the world won't make your amplifier work if it's not designed well. 5. If you listened to a musical instrument live and like the sound, then why would you want to add 'more coloration' to the natural sound of the instrument? There is no tubes in acoustical guitars, saxaphones, pianos, etc. lol [B]Because, among others, the musical instrument industry has proven that NO DSP available now, actually sounds EXACTLY like a tube amp. [/B] I bet they didn't ABX the test, lol... and did they try to dupe all the tube amps in the world? What I mean is, not every tube amp design will have the same overload performance so if you try to mimick a tube amp via DSP, which ones were chosen? lol .. [/QUOTE]
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